Fair enough, thanks for elaborating.
.25-06
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Sounds good, can't kill them too dead
You can, however, leave yourself with an inedible ragged mush of fractured bone, shredded flesh and bloody jelly.
There’s food and there’s industrial byproduct. Pick which one you want.
i user a .25-06 for 20 odd years and 99.9 % roe
deads deads.... id rather have em drop on spot than have to go looking
and i dont lose that much as folk would think .... often get 50 to 60 % of the shoulders ....if i hit just behind shoulder i often lose the meat in between ribs but dogs get them and i still can use front half
if your wanting stuff down, you have to accept some degree of damage .... unless your head or neck shooting and that's a whole different argument
Paul
deads deads.... id rather have em drop on spot than have to go looking
and i dont lose that much as folk would think .... often get 50 to 60 % of the shoulders ....if i hit just behind shoulder i often lose the meat in between ribs but dogs get them and i still can use front half
if your wanting stuff down, you have to accept some degree of damage .... unless your head or neck shooting and that's a whole different argument
Paul
I love mine - you’re correct that the thing that lets it down is the lack of ammo availability.
It shoots flat, hits hard and with a moderator on is an absolute joy to shoot.
The issue is it’s never really been adopted by the TR crowd or military (unlike the .308 or 6.5 creed) so there’s never really been a long heavy for caliber bullet made for it (with the possible exception of Blackjack bullets who do a 131gn target bullet in .25) and even if there was you’d need a 1:7 twist to stabilise it and that puts you in custom rifle territory.
If you can find a good supply of factory ammo though or don’t mind reloading it’s an absolute gem of a cartridge and highly underrated in my view.
It shoots flat, hits hard and with a moderator on is an absolute joy to shoot.
The issue is it’s never really been adopted by the TR crowd or military (unlike the .308 or 6.5 creed) so there’s never really been a long heavy for caliber bullet made for it (with the possible exception of Blackjack bullets who do a 131gn target bullet in .25) and even if there was you’d need a 1:7 twist to stabilise it and that puts you in custom rifle territory.
If you can find a good supply of factory ammo though or don’t mind reloading it’s an absolute gem of a cartridge and highly underrated in my view.
as malxwal says tho.... things changing ...newer hornady and berger and now sierra doing 130 odd grn ish range of ammo...yes you'll need the twist barrel but if looking to rebarrel an existing .25-06 theirs newer options ....
malx is using 25needmore and faster twist barrel... 25. x 47 a thing now .... its gaining a footing with folks again.....enough to see a 25.06 rebarreled with faster twist barrel and what it would do with these newer bullets id like to see.... I'm nearly shot out a 25-06... but to be honest for my use im still more 6.5x284 due to availability etc .... pace needs to be faster for availability for me to change my mind
Paul
Norfolk Deer Search
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My advice is stop looking for multiple calibres to do 1 job!
Find 1 bullet to do said job and get on with it.
270 maid of all work
3006
I have one nd love it. Load it light with 75 vmax and it’s a fox laser… load it heavy for everything else. Ammo is usually the problem in its variations but great if you can reload.
I am not sure what problem the 25-06 answers
Its harder to find a factory offering
Its harder to feed reliably as ammo is less prevalent
It runs out of steam at 120gr and unless homeloading does t stack up
Factory 120gr Federal chrono’d at 2850fps from our estate rifles (sako 75 and howa 1500) both with 22” barrels
The other is a 270 sako 75 and pushes factory 130gr geco at 3030fps
The .270 with 130gr is hard to beat but even then its 60gr of powder to donit
Its possible the 25-06 takes an already inefficient cartridge and makes it even more so
The 6.5cm pushes 120gr faster, the 260rem more so
The 308 in 130gr form blows it away too
All with 60% of the powder burn
Can totally understand why some manufacturers dropped it from the offering
Its harder to find a factory offering
Its harder to feed reliably as ammo is less prevalent
It runs out of steam at 120gr and unless homeloading does t stack up
Factory 120gr Federal chrono’d at 2850fps from our estate rifles (sako 75 and howa 1500) both with 22” barrels
The other is a 270 sako 75 and pushes factory 130gr geco at 3030fps
The .270 with 130gr is hard to beat but even then its 60gr of powder to donit
Its possible the 25-06 takes an already inefficient cartridge and makes it even more so
The 6.5cm pushes 120gr faster, the 260rem more so
The 308 in 130gr form blows it away too
All with 60% of the powder burn
Can totally understand why some manufacturers dropped it from the offering
deeangeo
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I guess the thing is, if you like what the 25-06 does, enjoy it, agreed if you're a reloader that helps a lot, but a 110gn Accubond bullet will take EVERYTHING in the UK without any issue at all & will run at around 3050fps MV & a Sierra 100gn ProHunter bullet running at around 3150fps is just fine too. You just don't need a 120gn bullet for anything in the UK as far as live quarry is concerned.
wildfowler.250
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Interesting replies folks. Seems to still have a reasonable following on here.
My main worry would be copper availability or bullet availability. This is coming from a home loading point of view.
But I appreciate the .270 probably covers all basis. It’s just after 20 years, sometimes you fancy a change. But it’s lasted that long because it works.
I’m never entirely sure where inefficiency comes into this. Isn’t 10 grains like, 0.6 of a gram? Not a huge difference per round out of a 1kg tub? Or is it more an issue of extra recoil and boom?
Norfolk Deer Search
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I’m that case if you’re looking for a change, do what I did go for the granddaddy of them all
7x57 it will do all what you need to do with elegance and efficiency!
Ronin
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No availability at local shops
The simple solution is ask your shop to pick up the black device on the desk and dial the number if the wholesaler to send the ammunition you ask for
25-06 is a good cartridge - as is 270 as is 30-06
They are old, (so am I) that isn’t to say neither still works
The 257 calibres always suffered from lack of bullet choice as opposed to 6.5/7mm and 30 cal
That situation remains
If you want to use long action then consider 6.5/06 and reload or 30-06
Both have far better bullet choice and 30-06 will have more scope for factory
There is also 6.5/55
Plus 7/57 and again if you reload 6.5-284, straight 284 and 280 Rem
The simple solution is ask your shop to pick up the black device on the desk and dial the number if the wholesaler to send the ammunition you ask for
25-06 is a good cartridge - as is 270 as is 30-06
They are old, (so am I) that isn’t to say neither still works
The 257 calibres always suffered from lack of bullet choice as opposed to 6.5/7mm and 30 cal
That situation remains
If you want to use long action then consider 6.5/06 and reload or 30-06
Both have far better bullet choice and 30-06 will have more scope for factory
There is also 6.5/55
Plus 7/57 and again if you reload 6.5-284, straight 284 and 280 Rem
wildfowler.250
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I think that’s even more ‘loopy’. I can’t help it when I reach for the HMR over the .22lr and the .270win over the 6.5x55 .
Makes a lot of sense. I’m wondering if the 25 creedmoor will improve options or the bubble will burst on these new calibers
Norfolk Deer Search
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That depends on the range you’re shooting out, with the 7 x 50 zeroed inch high you’ll be good for 200 yards pendant of course on your choice of bullet and the speed do you wanna go at.
There’s no deer that I wouldn’t shoot with my 7 x 57 that I would shoot with my 270 out to 300
If you’re shooting beyond that good luck to you
If you’re looking to cure loopy stay with the 270 if it’s not broke, don’t fix it
Ronin
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Your under a false impression that certain cartridges are flat shooting
Nothing defies gravity
Learn your external ballistics for the cartridge you shoot
Makes life a whole lot easier
25 creedmoor will be the same as 6/6.5 creedmoor
A cartridge created to expand the coffers of the big red H
They offer nothing over equivalent cartridges already available
Nothing defies gravity
Learn your external ballistics for the cartridge you shoot
Makes life a whole lot easier
25 creedmoor will be the same as 6/6.5 creedmoor
A cartridge created to expand the coffers of the big red H
They offer nothing over equivalent cartridges already available
Malxwal
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Apparently, powers that be at the big H were reluctant to back the homologation of 25 Creedmoor initially.
I can verify the 25 Creedmoor in a hunting rifle running 130gr class bullets is no discernible difference to 6.5 Creedmoor; the difference is minutiae. But I like it, and that's all that matters.
Yew tree do a 100 gr .257 so you’re good to go if home loading.
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