284 win

[hunterscabin]

thinking about a rifle in 284 win

can anybody enlighten me about this round ie meat damage

willbe used for eveything from fox to reds
also if i have time maybe some target shooting

http://www.border-barrels.com/custom_rifles/1365-r.jpg

cheers

steve

 

[Wingers243]

Steve,

I too am interested inbuilding something in this cartridge, it looks great from the numbers. Most of the 7mm's seem to be ok on meat damage, after that I expect its down to how hard you choose to push the bullet....

I asked a similar question ages ago but no response. However,, have a look at 6mmbr, there is a review on an F class range gun that a gun shot a big score with (I think it was the highest last year or something similar) and later on the the guns of the week page there is an article by a guy who built one for field and target use. It looks good. Have a read.

Only thing he was saying that could cause difficulties was that in a short action the maximum OAL was limited but the mag length with heavier 7mm bullets.

See what you think, I'm taken with it.

W

 

[MarkH]

The 284 win is the younger US cousin of the 7x64 Brenneke. Nice flat shooting rifle very popular in Europe. Meat damage minimal with sensible velocities.

Mark

 

[Muir]

MarkH: Agreed. Abot the same amount of punch. The difference with the 284 is that the standard throating is shorter as the original rifles were Winchester Lever Action and Auto Loading rifles and magazine length was an issue. If you plan on building a bolt gun, have the gunsmith order the reamer ground without the throat, then throat to you bullet choices.

Had one. It shot great.~Muir.

 

[flytie]

The 284 win is the younger US cousin of the 7x64 Brenneke. Nice flat shooting rifle very popular in Europe. Meat damage minimal with sensible velocities.

Mark

According to the Hornady reloading book, "the 284 win is a 7mm cartridge designed to approximate the 270 win performance yet function through Winchesters short action model 88 and model 100 rifles.

It is the 280 remington that is similar to the 7x64 Brenneke.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/7x64_Brenneke.htm

ft

 

[MarkH]

Sorry Guys.

My mistake it is the 280 Remington that is similar to the 7x64 Dohhhh. I think I will stay metric from here on in.

Chuck Hawkes website is a great source of info - very practical.

Mark

 

[flytie]

I think I will stay metric from here on in.
Mark

Why should you be the only one who isn't confused

ft

 

[enfieldspares]

My mistake it is the 280 Remington that is similar to the 7x64

No! The 280 is better than the 7x64!

Any of these, 280, 7x64, 284 are pretty much the same as the 270 in terms of what they can do.

The advantage that the 280 and 7x64 have over the 270 (if it is a consideration) is that both will handle 165 and 175 grain bullets. Now whilst the 270 can do that as well and Speer did make a 277" 170 grain bullet you can't get that sort of weight now cheaply.

284 whilst also like the 280 and 7x64 does also use 284" bullets....but...it can have "issues" about overall loaded round length. And this may therefore cause you problems if you want to use the heavier weights.

It probably isn't that much more in practical performance much better than the 7mm-08. Say 200fps faster. American Forum posts talk of "issues" with poor brass quality with the 284. That might be something to consider if it is true and to what degree.

If it is a nice rifle then buy it. It was designed for the Winchester 88 Lever Action where it excels...except that Winchester also chambered that same rifle in 308. And, even if military calibre restrictions are not an issue I know which I would have...the 284!

But only to be different!

 

[MarkH]

Hi Enfieldspares

My mistake it is the 280 Remington that is similar to the 7x64

No! The 280 is better than the 7x64!

Please clarify

I have use the reload data on the 280 rem in the past for the 7x64 with success. Also its far easier to buy 7x64 ammunition in a French/German hunting shop than 280 Rem

Mark

 

[Nicholas Fahey]

My mistake it is the 280 Remington that is similar to the 7x64

No! The 280 is better than the 7x64!

and the 280 AI is even better

 

[MarkH]

I have just created a new wildcat
The awesome 284/505 WSBM .(Winchester super big magnum)
So powerful that only one cartridge can every be in existence at any one moment in time.
In fact the bullet is so fast and accurate it shoots between the molecules of the deer both destroying and healing it at the same time.
Wow

 

[20-250]

hunterscabin,
if you do end up with a .284 Win, I've got an unused RCBS neck sizing die going cheap!

 

[hunterscabin]

hunterscabin,
if you do end up with a .284 Win, I've got an unused RCBS neck sizing die going cheap!

thanks for the offer
ned to a bit of thinking about this one
at the moment i shoot a 6.5x55 with 140 rws fodder

not sure how much different the 284 would be

 

[Brithunter]

I have just created a new wildcat
The awesome 284/505 WSBM .(Winchester super big magnum)
So powerful that only one cartridge can every be in existence at any one moment in time.
In fact the bullet is so fast and accurate it shoots between the molecules of the deer both destroying and healing it at the same time.
Wow

Mark,

That reminds of the computer generated picture of a cartridge I saw, it was the 40mm Cannon shell necked dow to .17. Now imagine that case necked down to 7mm. Mind you it might require a tub or more of powder to fill the case . Mind you I don't fancy toting the bolt action built to feed and chamber it

 

[moses]

At the moment you shoot 6.5x55, you're thinking about a .284 so why not split the difference and go 6.5x284? better bc's of 6.5mm bullets and all the fun of the fare that a .284 case can handle.

just a thought
Moses

 

[flytie]

hunterscabin,
if you do end up with a .284 Win, I've got an unused RCBS neck sizing die going cheap!

thanks for the offer
ned to a bit of thinking about this one
at the moment i shoot a 6.5x55 with 140 rws fodder

not sure how much different the 284 would be

Why not try the 7x64 Brenneke? Not military so you can take it abroad, it meets (even exceeds in some countries) the 7mm minimum for most european boar shooting. Ammunition is not that common here but all european manufacturers make it.

When i have my next rifle, which will have to be boar capable, it is one calibre i am seriously considering. Unless of course you want something completely different calibre wise? And why not. I (game)shoot with a guy who uses a .270 wsm and he loves it.

Moses has a point about the 6.5x284, very, very accurate.

There is a lovely Sako .264 win mag on guntrader which has tempted me.

ft

 

[enfieldspares]

No! The 280 is better than the 7x64!

The theorists will tell you that it is better because it has a greater case capacity and a straight walled case so. This straight walled case is apparently a better system than the taper on the 7 x 64.

Others will be more honest...like me! Cost of 280 cases and ammunition is HALF that here in England of 7 x 64 cases or ammunition! 100 280 Remington cases from Norman Clarke = £31.00. 7 x 64? Ouch!

So that is why I think it is better than the 7x64 a matter of cost. Surprisingly 280 is also widely available in France and less so now in Belgium.

Why? Because Belgium had and France still has this military calibre ban, but unlike us, not the nonsense of Mrs Thatcher's self-loading rifle or pump action ban. Now as they can't have 30-06 all those Remington 760 and 740 rifles are, or were, in 280 Remington!

So in most gun shops in France you'll find 280 with the 165 grain bulet and often the 150 grain bullet. Oddly though, but not a surprise given the 7 x 64 dominance, you'll only encounter self-loading and pump action rifles chambered for it. Never in a bolt action rifle.

 

[flytie]

I have just found this on the Cuck Hawks site;

The 7mm-08 is a true short action caliber, based on the .308 Winchester case. It is the most practical and has become the best selling of all high intensity 7mm's. It makes no pretense of competing with the .270 Winchester, and so has avoided the comparisons that doomed the .280 and .284. Shooters have recognized that it is one of the best balanced short action cartridges ever designed, and it has become a legitimate all-around cartridge. The .308 and the .243, both based on the same case, still outsell the 7mm-08. But the 7mm-08 may represent a near optimum use of this case capacity for big game hunting. As I said in my article on the 7mm-08, it seems to be a cartridge whose time has come.

For the full article;

http://www.chuckhawks.com/7mm_musings.htm

ft

 

[enfieldspares]

It is also quite often seen in France as it is, again, a "non-military" equivalent of the 308 so stands almost in direct relation to that as does the 280 to the 30-06. Just one "caution" I think that with heavier eight and therefore longer bullets the 7mm-08 has OAL problems in some rifles.