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Not buying that , shortening an FAC period ? Should 1. reduce the cost of said renewal ? - only you will pay for five ? If we dont fight this guess what ? We might very well see 12 month FAC with the same fee creeping in - Bingo for police finances eh ?
 
Whitefront said:
I think certain people may be making a fuss about nothing. They are simply asking you to help them smooth out a peak in their renewals, which may have been exacerbated from from the time when certificate timescales were changed.
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From reading the foregoing comments, certain people did not want to read it like that.
 
Bowland blades said:
Not buying that , shortening an FAC period ? Should 1. reduce the cost of said renewal ? - only you will pay for five ? If we dont fight this guess what ? We might very well see 12 month FAC with the same fee creeping in - Bingo for police finances eh ?
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The letter mentioned reduced cost.

The additional would be having another GP report in 3yrs time.
 
Just had my renewal done N Wales longest it's ever taken, couple of emails to chase it up. Put it in June ran out sept 2 months extension. Visit done references contacted ammo counted first time for that, even rang Mrs to check she didn't have a issues with me😀. Ten Yr fac no mods & 1 GP check because once the firearms marker is on your records police should be informed anyhow of any future medical condition that might effect your fac. Sometimes does make me wonder if it's really worthwhile!!
 
JTO said:
And how would that smooth out the cyclical troughs and humps in renewals?
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really how does any business deal with peaks and troughs?

Then after 30 years many would no longer be renewing certificates and new applications would not necessarily be in a hump period.

Let’s see the statistics month by month, year by year over the last 30years.
 
Liveonce said:
really how does any business deal with peaks and troughs?

Then after 30 years many would no longer be renewing certificates and new applications would not necessarily be in a hump period.

Let’s see the statistics year by year over the last 30years.
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I got my F.A.C. in 1968.
 
My Certs are due for renewal next February. I intend to ask/volunteer for 4-year certificates.
 
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Some context. The government, at the request of the police, extended the length of shotgun and firearms certificates from three to five years. The Firearms (Period of Certificate) Order 1994 (SI 2614/1994) came into force on 1st January 1995. The introduction of five year certificates was phased in as follows:
  • In 1995 all certificates due for renewal were renewed for a period of five years meaning that they would expire in 2000 rather than 1998.
  • In 1996 all certificates due for renewal were renewed for a period of five years meaning that they would expire in 2001 rather than 1999.
  • In 1997 all certificates due for renewal were renewed for a period of five years meaning that they would expire in 2002 rather than 2000.
  • In 1998 no certificates fell due for renewal. However a small number of renewal applications were processed. These related to certificates that expired in 1997 and enquiries had extended beyond 31st December or, in the case of shotgun certificates, renewals dealt with as a result of certificate holders surrendering certificates early to bring them into line with a firearm certificate grant (a coterminous application).
  • In 1999 no certificates fell due for renewal. Nonetheless some applications were processed. Most of these related to certificates that expired in early 2000 and certificate holders had made application early in order to facilitate timely renewal. However, in the case of shotgun certificates, some were a result of certificate holders surrendering certificates early to bring them into line with a firearm certificate grant (a coterminous application).
This approach resulted in a recurring cycle for firearms licensing departments of three years ‘normal’ workload in renewal years (‘peaks’), and two years ‘reduced’ workload in non-renewal years (‘troughs’). In England and Wales, this resulted in an initial overall average workload decrease of 98% in renewals and 34% in grants between renewal years and non-renewal years.
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
Some context. The government, at the request of the police, extended the length of shotgun and firearms certificates from three to five years. The Firearms (Period of Certificate) Order 1994 (SI 2614/1994) came into force on 1st January 1995. The introduction of five year certificates was phased in as follows:
  • In 1995 all certificates due for renewal were renewed for a period of five years meaning that they would expire in 2000 rather than 1998.
  • In 1996 all certificates due for renewal were renewed for a period of five years meaning that they would expire in 2001 rather than 1999.
  • In 1997 all certificates due for renewal were renewed for a period of five years meaning that they would expire in 2002 rather than 2000.
  • In 1998 no certificates fell due for renewal. However a small number of renewal applications were processed. These related to certificates that expired in 1997 and enquiries had extended beyond 31st December or, in the case of shotgun certificates, renewals dealt with as a result of certificate holders surrendering certificates early to bring them into line with a firearm certificate grant (a coterminous application).
  • In 1999 no certificates fell due for renewal. Nonetheless some applications were processed. Most of these related to certificates that expired in early 2000 and certificate holders had made application early in order to facilitate timely renewal. However, in the case of shotgun certificates, some were a result of certificate holders surrendering certificates early to bring them into line with a firearm certificate grant (a coterminous application).
This approach resulted in a recurring cycle for firearms licensing departments of three years ‘normal’ workload in renewal years (‘peaks’), and two years ‘reduced’ workload in non-renewal years (‘troughs’). In England and Wales, this resulted in an initial overall average workload decrease of 98% in renewals and 34% in grants between renewal years and non-renewal years.
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The way I see it, I give them so much grief with variations that if they asked me to do it I gladly would. It still amazes me that the tickets for a years fishing cost as much as five years of firearms ownership. The doctor report is a pain but I support it, and if the licensing staff weren't so pushed maybe they could keep an eye on us all more closely, That would hopefully reduce the occasional oversights we've seen over the years which have resulted in more losses for us. Ryan, Hamilton etc were all showing signs that they shouldn't have been FAC holders, but nothing was done. It's not a department that should be stretched.

I like to try to be on side with my licensing department. Generally they're good people. I have the occasional moan and problem but I'd put a lot of that down to the workload. If they had time to think about things rather than rush a decision I think things might be different.
 
Glad we don't have that faff over here. Pass hunting licence, choose up to 8 weapons, any cartridge, buy weapons and go and shoot. No renewals. No land clearing. Just keep your nose clean and all is grand.
Police and doctors can remove FAC's with good reason.
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
Some context. The government, at the request of the police, extended the length of shotgun and firearms certificates from three to five years. The Firearms (Period of Certificate) Order 1994 (SI 2614/1994) came into force on 1st January 1995. The introduction of five year certificates was phased in as follows:
  • In 1995 all certificates due for renewal were renewed for a period of five years meaning that they would expire in 2000 rather than 1998.
  • In 1996 all certificates due for renewal were renewed for a period of five years meaning that they would expire in 2001 rather than 1999.
  • In 1997 all certificates due for renewal were renewed for a period of five years meaning that they would expire in 2002 rather than 2000.
  • In 1998 no certificates fell due for renewal. However a small number of renewal applications were processed. These related to certificates that expired in 1997 and enquiries had extended beyond 31st December or, in the case of shotgun certificates, renewals dealt with as a result of certificate holders surrendering certificates early to bring them into line with a firearm certificate grant (a coterminous application).
  • In 1999 no certificates fell due for renewal. Nonetheless some applications were processed. Most of these related to certificates that expired in early 2000 and certificate holders had made application early in order to facilitate timely renewal. However, in the case of shotgun certificates, some were a result of certificate holders surrendering certificates early to bring them into line with a firearm certificate grant (a coterminous application).
This approach resulted in a recurring cycle for firearms licensing departments of three years ‘normal’ workload in renewal years (‘peaks’), and two years ‘reduced’ workload in non-renewal years (‘troughs’). In England and Wales, this resulted in an initial overall average workload decrease of 98% in renewals and 34% in grants between renewal years and non-renewal years.
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It seems that some people here needed that explained to them.
 
Perhaps there is a case for shorter terms for those who have certain conditions like degenerating conditions ( rather than just lift their licence ) ? But i just see this as more work for the Feo teams and higher cost for the applicant . other than that its just Starmers crew prejudice assuming few if any shooters vote Labour ( which is certainly not the case ) . i have been renewing for about 40 years and my GP records prompt the Doctor to disclose any issues of mental health !
Anyhow i predict a one term government for this crew ( it might be shorter than that and that has happened before and will again ) . First passed the post defaulted to them as the best looser
 
Trickyd66 said:
To be fair, I would jump at it as a first renewal as it would get territorial conditions removed without having to keep a record of outings - shots taken/ not taken and then apply for a variation, as long as it went back to 5 yearly afterwards.
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Why? If the supposed prerequisite is 5 years’ experience, then you’d still need 5 years under your belt.
 
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