30-06 Too powerful for UK

[Sonicdmb73]

What concerns me is the way some FEO s interpret and twist the law for their own agenda.
Do they undergo any formal nationall training? Are the appraised on a regular basis?
Being as most are ex police officers who have probably had years dealing with criminals not law abiding citizens who happen to own firearms.
Very often its a toss up between ignorance and obstruction.
I speak from experience.

To the best of my knowledge there’s no formal standards for training FEO/FLD staff.
The number of times I heard I shall ask X (a now former FEO who was not always right) about a piece of legislation. After I had shown the where and why for of said legislation to back up my argument.
So you are correct in my opinion that FEO’s are not always best qualified for the job. I have been on the receiving end of one with a theory (completely wrong at that) which caused me no end of trouble at the time.
I also heard of a RFD that was told he needed to put his personal guns in a separate safe to his secure Gunroom. Not sure what thought process was involved. But it is not an isolated incident if even half of the stories I have heard are true, or the things I have been told by firearms licensing over the years.

 

[Stalker62]

 

[potshotpat]

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Hi 1962. Check out events in the northwest for a range day for all smoking poles. If your prepared to get yourself up this end for the day, I'm prepared to pay all your expenses , for all your shots for all your wads. Typical northwestern hospitality. Bring your own teabags

 

[Eddie P]

“….. and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim”.
Now that is interesting, indeed very interesting, as I have never seen such a requirement/condition. A couple of questions spring to mind:-
* why is this required for those firearms; and perhaps more fundamentally
* since when can any licensing authority impose such a condition? I suspect that this is ultra-vires i.e. without foundation in legislation so cannot be imposed.
Happy to stand corrected.

The financial bit was added after the MOD stopped approving target ranges, must be over 10 years now. It allows for independent assessors on behalf of insurance companies to approve ranges.

 

[Puds]

I’ve got a .243, .308 & a .270. I’m tempted to ask for a .30-06 now just to see if I get it!

 

[Foxyboy43]

The financial bit was added after the MOD stopped approving target ranges, must be over 10 years now. It allows for independent assessors on behalf of insurance companies to approve ranges.

Hmmm. Funny thing is it hasn‘t made it to NI, nor has the doctor’s report and we still have pistols - without those long metally bits sticking out from the butt though air rifles are FAC regardless of power and air pistols are approved clubs only.
United Kingdom huh?

 

[DuncanR]

You know 2 people with .375s who can use them in the U.K. What you don’t know is the good reason given for ownership. If your good reason is shooting big things in Africa, the police will give you a 375 and you will also be able to use it in the U.K. But you won’t be given a .375 just for the U.K.

Hi, I believe this is probably dependant on the region you live in.

I have a .375H&H cleared for Africa and have tried for years to get it “opened” for the UK unsuccessfully. Yet my 9,3x62 is cleared for the UK.

Can’t make sense of it!

 

[Namman]

Hi, I believe this is probably dependant on the region you live in.

I have a .375H&H cleared for Africa and have tried for years to get it “opened” for the UK unsuccessfully. Yet my 9,3x62 is cleared for the UK.

Can’t make sense of it!

I have had a .375 since the early 80's for deer and fox. Despite continual posession of various .375's over the years for stalking, at last renewal the FEO decided .without warning or discussion. to remove the condition and restricted it for target use only.
BASC were then involved and hit a brick wall, the FEO had made his mind up.
This is despite my regular hunting trips to Africa and complying with all the HO Guidance.
I.wrote to the Office Manager stating my case and requesting by way of Freedom of Information how many in the Force area had .375 and bigger for stalking.
Answer : quite a few , including friends of mine who have not been to Africa for years.
I also asked for a Personal Information Disclosure about my renewal including meetings decisions FEO reports etc.
Result:
My .375 was reinstated for stalking.

 

[Stalker62]

If your good reason is shooting big things in Africa, the police will give you a 375 and you will also be able to use it in the U.K. But you won’t be given a .375 just for the U.K.

I am afraid, that neither of those statements are correct.

I have a .416 "conditioned" for transport to and from a port, plus zeroing on suitable ranges with appropriate insurance in place. It is not, for instance (in my particular case) cleared for deer in the UK.

I also have a .375 "conditioned" for deer and AOLQ in the UK.

Neither calibres are great "plinking" rounds...

 

[Franchi Matt]

Its looking unlikely I'll get that bazooka permit I applied for then

 

[Foxyboy43]

I have had a .375 since the early 80's for deer and fox. Despite continual posession of various .375's over the years for stalking, at last renewal the FEO decided .without warning or discussion. to remove the condition and restricted it for target use only.
BASC were then involved and hit a brick wall, the FEO had made his mind up.
This is despite my regular hunting trips to Africa and complying with all the HO Guidance.
I.wrote to the Office Manager stating my case and requesting by way of Freedom of Information how many in the Force area had .375 and bigger for stalking.
Answer : quite a few , including friends of mine who have not been to Africa for years.
I also asked for a Personal Information Disclosure about my renewal including meetings decisions FEO reports etc.
Result:
My .375 was reinstated for stalking.

Great job! Well done that man for fighting your perfectly reasonable corner.

 

[JTO]

If BASC membership still included legal insurance cover.....................

 

[Druid]

I also asked for a Personal Information Disclosure about my renewal including meetings decisions FEO reports etc.
Result:
My .375 was reinstated for stalking.

Did you get the relevant information released or did they roll over before providing it?
It would certainly be interesting to see what had been documented through that decision making process.

 

[Sonicdmb73]

Hi, I believe this is probably dependant on the region you live in.

I have a .375H&H cleared for Africa and have tried for years to get it “opened” for the UK unsuccessfully. Yet my 9,3x62 is cleared for the UK.

Can’t make sense of it!

It does seem to be a lottery. A friend who worked at the time culling all over the country lived in West Yorkshire and had a 357, moved to Lancashire they told him he couldn’t have it. So into storage it went.
Just yesterday talking to another friend he has asked for a 375 his good reason is the same as another of his friends (they go stalking together even) yet he is meeting resistance from his FLD.

Did you get the relevant information released or did they roll over before providing it?
It would certainly be interesting to see what had been documented through that decision making process.

I would be inclined to insist on getting the relevant documents. It would certainly be be interesting seeing what the thought process was. Also interesting to see if they will actually give you the documents if full.

 

[long_range_rob]

Its looking unlikely I'll get that bazooka permit I applied for then

I’ve always fancied an 88mm myself but I think the NRA would have a complete hissy fit if I towed on to camp.

 

[Franchi Matt]

I’ve always fancied an 88mm myself but I think the NRA would have a complete hissy fit if I towed on to camp.

Taken all the fun away is what they've done how am I supposed to rid my garden of flying ants without a bazooka?

 

[long_range_rob]

Taken all the fun away is what they've done how am I supposed to rid my garden of flying ants without a bazooka?

My other dream is for a proper Bren gun

 

[Franchi Matt]

My other dream is for a proper Bren gun

Ah - the dream of many....
We went to a WW2 reenactment weekend last year... Ooooooo the demo firing of so many fun (banned) guns was incredible

 

[ApexOrdnance]

A rather amusing story I heard about a conversation between an FEO and a chap justifying a .50cal
"So why do you feel you require a .50 cal?"
"Rabbits"
"Eh?"
"Rabbits"
"Your going to have to do better than that"
"What if I see a rabbit, say a mile and a half away, behind a brick wall, wearing body armour?"
"Seriously??"
"Yep, and I want tracer rounds so I can cook the bugger at the same time."

Not sure how much truth is in that but he got his .50, albeit under a target condition.
Made me chuckle.

 

[Tazz]

Its looking unlikely I'll get that bazooka permit I applied for then

Depends on the ground and quarry