30-06 Too powerful for UK

[25 Sharps]

“….. and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim”.
Now that is interesting, indeed very interesting, as I have never seen such a requirement/condition. A couple of questions spring to mind:-
* why is this required for those firearms; and perhaps more fundamentally
* since when can any licensing authority impose such a condition? I suspect that this is ultra-vires i.e. without foundation in legislation so cannot be imposed.
Happy to stand corrected.

It is a standard target condition, the range must have the cover, not the shooter

 

[25 Sharps]

I’ve got

25-45
6.5x55
7.5x55
.280
.308
45-70 (when my variation comes back)

All conditioned for deer, but primary good reason for the 7.5x55, .308 and 45-70 is target with the deer condition added after. to make life easy when I applied I swapped the 45-70 deer condition from my creedmoor, I could have argued that they should follow the guidance and I didn’t need to show good reason for quarry, once initial good reason was established, plus I explained a heavy slow bullet is better in cover which they seemed to take on board. An argument I am fairly sure I would have won, but it would have just got everybodies’ backs up, plus between the 6.5x55, .280 and .308 the creedmoor is fairly redundant.

(plus 4 rifles and a sect 1 shotgun for vermin and 4 rifles for fox all with AOLQ, and a few others for target only)

 

[Lateral]

‘Need’ does not come into it, ‘good reason’ is what they are looking for.

I do not need to shoot at 2 HO approved clubs but doing so gives me good reason for multiple rifles.

Not being pedantic, but if you have a genuine "need" for another rifle/calibre, is that not a "good reason" ?

The word that really needs to be avoided, is "want" !

 

[25 Sharps]

Not being pedantic, but if you have a genuine "need" for another rifle/calibre, is that not a "good reason" ?

The word that really needs to be avoided, is "want" !

No not at all, I have no NEED for a long barrel pistol, long barrel revolver, AR clone .22, 45-70 underlever, .357 underlever, 7.5x55 WW2 rifle etc. I do not shoot any formal competitions with them.

I do however WANT them, so that I can shoot at my 2 clubs at the various distances and disciplines that we partake in. I shoot twice a month with one club and once a month with the other, therefore I shoot each of them at least 3 times a year (generally 3-4 times that).

Therefore my want constitutes good reason, my use proves it.

The word ‘need’ is a very slippery slope and one best avoided.

 

[Lateral]

I have no NEED for a long barrel pistol, long barrel revolver, AR clone .22, 45-70 underlever, .357 underlever, 7.5x55 WW2 rifle etc.

I do however WANT them, so that I can shoot at my 2 clubs at the various distances and disciplines that we partake in. I shoot twice a month with one club and once a month with the other, therefore I shoot each of them at least 3 times a year (generally 3-4 times that).

Therefore my want constitutes good reason, my use proves it.

The word ‘need’ is a very slippery slope and one best avoided.

I'm sorry, you're contradicting yourself.

You're not required to shoot competition to have a "good reason". Your "need" is the fact that you shoot targets with them all, numerous times each year, at a club.

Even if someone has a "Want", you need to show a "need", to justify your "good reason".

Or, next time you come up for renewal, or have a chat with your FEO, tell him that you no longer need the firearms you have listed, but you just want them, and let me know how you get on

 

[25 Sharps]

I'm sorry, you're contradicting yourself.

You're not required to shoot competition to have a "good reason". Your "need" is the fact that you shoot targets with them all, numerous times each year, at a club.

Even if someone has a "Want", you need to show a "need", to justify your "good reason".

Or, next time you come up for renewal, or have a chat with your FEO, tell him that you no longer need the firearms you have listed, but you just want them, and let me know how you get on

No you are entirely wrong, needing a firearm is not a requirement as simply wanting one is not a justification. You must prove good reason, wanting to shoot at a club with your chosen firearm is such.

The latest guidance is very clear on Need vs. Want.

12.6 “Good reason” should be neither confined to need nor equated with desire. Most firearm certificate holders possess firearms for reasons of their profession, sport, collectors or recreation, and may properly wish to exercise discretion as to what types of firearms they choose for these purposes. On the other hand, a simple wish to own a particular sort of firearm is not in itself “good reason”

Nobody needs to shoot with a club, the same as with modern technology nobody needs 2 rifles in the same calibre, one for day use and one for night vision.

So there is no requirement to need a firearm to be able to show good reason, you really should read up before contradicting the guidance that the police should be working to.

 

[Lateral]

I do not agree with your interpretation of "need vs good reason". If you do not "need" a firearm, I would suggest it's hard to have a good reason to possess one, in the context of an FAC.

But by all means, you use your opinion with your FEO.

 

[25 Sharps]

I do not agree with your interpretation of "need vs good reason". If you do not "need" a firearm, I would suggest it's hard to have a good reason to possess one, in the context of an FAC.

But by all means, you use your opinion with your FEO.

Can you not read, man?

““Good reason” should be neither confined to need nor equated with desire.”

That is directly taken from the current guidance, black and white, good reason is not confined to need!!

I have never needed to show need to my FEO, I simply show good reason and need does not come into it.

 

[3red dogs]

I use 30.06 on muntjac. Don’t do as much damage as .243

 

[Heym SR20]

In this video a Garand in 30-06 is compared to an M14 in 308. He shoots lots of different ammo through each, measuring velocities and low and behold some 308 win loads shoots the same faster than the 30-06, and some 30-06 shoots faster. And when you do the maths for the energy (or power) some brands of 308 are more powerful that 30-06 and vice-versa.

Lets not forget that the 308 is the standard issue rifle for Forestry England for deer management and are widely used for deer work by many other stalkers. And we are really talking a few % differences between the two that no deer or backstop are going to tell the difference. You could take a box of Remington or Federal blue box 30-06 (both brands tend to quite mild in terms of load, and compare with a box of RWS 308 (which tend to be loaded to full capacity) and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were as powerful if not more than 30-06.

 

[Morkai]

4 bore, too powerful?

 

[260madman]

4 bore, too powerful?

At least it didn’t blow up and almost kill him like the 50BMG did.

 

[Morkai]

At least it didn’t blow up and almost kill him like the 50BMG did.

Yeah, that wasnt great was it.

 

[Hook'N'Bullet]

scrap the lot and keep the 30-06

This is the problem with having too many rifles that can do 1 job, your creating chinks in your armour and making the rozzers question your justification

For once, I think I agree with you NDS

Somebody else gave reasons for having the 06 because it feeds better etc. Sure if thats the case, why keep the other two if they are at a disadvantage in that regard

 

[Kjf]

A friend has put in for a 30-06 for deer in the Uk, he has a 243 with NV, 308 and a 270. He has been told that to justify such a large calibre like that he has to prove he has booked a trip to Africa.

Nonsense , 3006 e exit wound 150 grain factory rounds on a big buck. , dropped 4 roe buck.last weekend 2 with a 7mm rem mag and 2 with 3006 ,

Just right for all deer ,

However , your mate has rifles to drop all deer in the UK, so he doesn't NEED a 3006 , the Africa comment should have been as I've said , you don't need a 3006 , swap the 270 for a 3006 if ya want ?

 

[Pete1774]

A friend has put in for a 30-06 for deer in the Uk, he has a 243 with NV, 308 and a 270. He has been told that to justify such a large calibre like that he has to prove he has booked a trip to Africa.

As a friend of mine once said, "Most FEOs know a lot about guns but little about shooting"

 

[badmolassesaccident]

In this video a Garand in 30-06 is compared to an M14 in 308. He shoots....

I think I have watched too many of his videos. The link showed up as a screen still of just his abdomen, no head, nothing else. Just an abdomen, a pair of trousers and an anorak.

I instantly knew it was Paul Harrell before I even clicked on the link and saw his face.

 

[Ade8mm]

Apologies for not reading all 176 responses but have seen enough to get the gist of it.
I do recall when I put a variation in for an 8 x 57 for Boar (note - I was still on a restricted fac at the time) the Chief Constable himself called me and said "Nice calibre, your variation approval is in the post"
A mere 17 years ago.
Where does the time go?
Ade