300 blackout

[Muir]

(Sorry. The link I was posting to has been taken down. Too bad)
For general reading.~Muir

 

[Penyard]

I could let you have some of my .30 cast lead stuff in 150 grain round nose, and 170 grain flat tip. But they can't work miracles on small things, at these velocities, and if they bounce off something at these velocities they will keep on going, rather than fragmenting.

Push them faster though and they are deadly, and accurate, but you might have some qualms about how many lead fragments might end up scattered around in the meat that you subsequently eat. As with other bullet constructions.

Thanks Sharpie, a kind offer. I’m looking for something that expands at subsonic velocities with a reduced ricochet risk which it seems your solid solids probably won’t deliver. Thanks all the same.

 

[CarlW]

Just for the record, whether they are available or not, here's a couple of snaps of subsonic Lehighs recovered from very dead reds.


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Laws are laws, whether they are sensible or not is another matter altogether.

These are stone cold killers. Forget the numbers, its the tissue wounding that kills the animal, very quickly. A front lung shot just above the heart with one of these creates a gaping great big hole.

So they do expand a little bit then....

 

[User00033]

So they do expand a little bit then....

It's no coincidence that these Lehighs are in an almost perpetual state of sold-out-ness over here. This thread has got me looking for them again today.

Thing is with centrefire subs, is they are great fun for plinking. Last January I worked out the drops for my .308 out to 150m with the cast lead 151gr pills, and I can shoot that from the backyard garden at gongs and have all sorts of fun with it. Then the practice and experience translates directly to a field shot on an animal, and you just know it'll go down.

For vermin I think centrefire subs are a fanatasic option. Yes of course I totally get the preference for fast varmint rounds with minimal drop over a certain range. But if for whatever reason there's sensitivity to noise, even to suppressed high velocity, then a suppressed subsonic takes very little effort to master. We have lots of guys over here shooting suppressed centrefire subsonics with NV doing a great job on pest deer, and problem pigs in particular. Our one pro pest controller uses subs and NV exclusively, as his hours worked are so much shorter for the same revenue. Plus the well being of his dogs. Most use a quality illuminated BDC reticle with a half decent ranging capability, that's all you need.

 

[Orion]

Thanks Sharpie, a kind offer. I’m looking for something that expands at subsonic velocities with a reduced ricochet risk which it seems your solid solids probably won’t deliver. Thanks all the same.

If you can consider a lighter bullet the Hornady 90gr XTP is an option that is reasonably readily available - might be an option?

If you want to try it ping me a PM and I’ll get some to you.

 

[Orion]

By the way, little chance of getting those specific Lehigh bullets here. Apparently it is possible, once you have paid $275 for the export license fee, jumped through the hoops, and ordered, and waited. I am not aware of any distributor or retailer having bothered to do so, nevermind private individuals.

As your total knowledge of the 300 BLK has been gained solely from the keyboard, I’m surprised that you didn’t realise that Grauwolf in Germany will supply LeHigh bullets to the U.K. without issue.

It would not be my first choice for e.g. foxing, unless needing to be very discrete, silent, at short range. As with my controller friend with his .44, which he built to take out foxes at close range (think gardens, parks etc.) in sensitive areas, with authority, having them run off could have caused all sorts of unnecessary difficulties.

Probably just as well that you steer clear of the round and remain ignorant of it’s capabilities in a bolt gun then. What does your controller friend do when he has to change from close range subsonic shooting to reach out to 200m + ? Let me guess, he has to go and fetch another rifle, because his .44 Magnum certainly won’t hack it. With 300 BLK it’s a magazine change.

 

[Sharpie]

As your total knowledge of the 300 BLK has been gained solely from the keyboard, I’m surprised that you didn’t realise that Grauwolf in Germany will supply LeHigh bullets to the U.K. without issue.



Probably just as well that you steer clear of the round and remain ignorant of it’s capabilities in a bolt gun then. What does your controller friend do when he has to change from close range subsonic shooting to reach out to 200m + ? Let me guess, he has to go and fetch another rifle, because his .44 Magnum certainly won’t hack it. With 300 BLK it’s a magazine change.

I daresay that if he was starting again today he would consider the Blackout, in a bolt-action, if he could actually get hold of that specific impressive bullet (77 Euros a box, hardly for plinking ammo, plus delivery from Germany, No UK distribution AFAIK, which was my point).

FWIW he previously built a short barreled AR15 in Whisper (which is practically identical to Blackout), but with the bullets then available, and he tried several, it just didn't work for him, and the AR stuff didn't necessarily convey the right impression with his clients, and was noisy and fiddly to operate as a straight-pull, using the standard rear cocking handle.

He wanted a specific tool, for a specific specialised job. And in those days you couldn't just buy expanding bullets mail-order, unlike now.

 

[User00048]

Just for the record, whether they are available or not, here's a couple of snaps of subsonic Lehighs recovered from very dead reds.


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Laws are laws, whether they are sensible or not is another matter altogether.

These are stone cold killers. Forget the numbers, its the tissue wounding that kills the animal, very quickly. A front lung shot just above the heart with one of these creates a gaping great big hole.

I have them in my cabinet...rather expensive but excellent none the less. I bought them in from UK defense company that normally has military contracts. Been meaning to buy the bullets in for loading too but they take a while to get back to you

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

played with a Remington SPS in 300AAC
awesome fun
very quiet
8gr of N110 under 200gr Gameking and it was banging gongs without fuss shot after shot
wouldn't hesitate to use it on game or vermin

 

[Muir]

AS to accuracy: Yes. Handload. Remington 125 grain Super sonics are very accurate but all my handloads are as good or better. This is a Nosler bullet fired from my CZ 527 over CFE Black at 100 yards. You can see where the staple was. That was my aiming point~Muir

 

[User00033]

Went and had a play with the subs yesterday. New scope, Zeiss 3-15x with Rapid-Z 800 reticle. Started with normal full power rounds (165gr @2750fps) and zeroed at 200yd. Then switched to subsonic 151gr cast lead @ 1070fps, first at 50yd and 100yd. The drop at 50yd corresponds exactly with the first hash on the reticle (3), at 100yd it corresponds exactly with the fourth hash (6).

This has worked out really really well. The maths said it should be a good multi-purpose scope and the now I can carry both full power and subsonics and switch between them with no zero adjustment. Previously with the Zeiss #6 plex reticle it was too much guesswork and a 100yd full power zero meant I had to use the reticle post for subs at 100m.

So @Woodmister a suggestion, if you do go down the subs route, have a think about reticles - a good BDC reticle is essential and careful selection of a zero distance should allow you to switch between supersonic and subsonic without having to fiddle with zero. Personally I'm not a fan of ballistic turrets for vermin, not enough time usually, using the reticle is a lot faster once you've worked it out.

 

[Orion]

Agree with you on that. The MOA reticle on my Sightron also takes the guesswork out of switching from full power to subs.

 

[Reiver Boy]

Some really lovely LE Wilson 300BLK die's in the classified section