.300H&H Magnum

[Sako3006]

I had the pleasure of owning a superb English hand made/built rifle built on an Oberndorf M98 action with a Holland .300 barrel chambered for the superb 300 H&H.
This rifle was recently up for sale in one of the big London auction houses and was a rifle I never should have parted with.
As for shooting the rifle it was superb in every sense of the word, and still remains per grain of powder pretty much the most efficient 30 cal magnum as stated in the Speer manuals if I recall correctly. It surely must be considered the 'Bench mark' for the 30 cal magnum class.
Go for it if you want one, but I have shot the massive Suffolk Reds with my much loved and again very much missed .30-06 which all said and done 'aint that much slower.

 

[M275]

That being said, if I came across British built sporter in 300 H & H I'd buy it in a heartbeat, they are very very cool. I'd worry about brass afterwards.

AB

Well put! The calibre wouldn't put me off a gun I liked, but I doubt I'd be asking a gunsmith to make me a custom rifle in 300 H&H. I'd be looking at the newer beltless magnums such as the WSMs or the Blasers.
Another disadvantage is that the brass stretches easily without a well-defined shoulder, so have the case trimmer ready.

 

[Beretta]

tell us more

Its a extreemly lightweight rifle with a hell of a kick, its not moderated so that may be partly why.

Its a Parker Hale Safari Deluxe, and with the Mauser bolt with its super high lift, you cant mount the scope low.

Its not that accurate a 2'' group is the best i can manage.

​The .308 round drops like a stone.

 

[tackb]

Its a extreemly lightweight rifle with a hell of a kick, its not moderated so that may be partly why.

Its a Parker Hale Safari Deluxe, and with the Mauser bolt with its super high lift, you cant mount the scope low.

Its not that accurate a 2'' group is the best i can manage.

​The .308 round drops like a stone.

​Not true and the rest is you've just got the wrong rifle !

 

[deerstalker.308]

​Not true and the rest is you've just got the wrong rifle !

​Agreed. There is nothing wrong with the calibre, you need to find yourself a better fitting or weighted rifle. Problem solved.

 

[deerstalker.308]

Its a extreemly lightweight rifle with a hell of a kick,


and you think the 300h&h wont.......?

 

[Brithunter]

Ahhhh gentlemen ................................................................... gentlemen once again it seems that cartridge is getting confused with calibre. The .300 Super, which I believe was the original name for the H&H cartridge is a .30 calibre as is the .308 Winchester and 300 Win Magnum. They all use the same diameter bullet. The term magnum being borrowed from the wine industry just described a bigger sized cartridge case in this case (pun intended) .

I also understand it was the Americans who applied the "Magnum" label to the Holland & Holland case as the official label was too long being I believe:-

.30 Super Holland & Holland Belted Rimless Nitro Express

Which is a bit long winded with .300 H&H magnum being an awful lot shorter. According to the Hornady manuals fore word on the .300 H&H it was introduced in America in 1925 by the Western Cartridge Company. It was used in 1935 to win the prestigious "Wimbledon Match which is a 1000 yard competition I believe.

 

[Beretta]

If I have to do a variation I may as well have a different calibre. The .308 which I have likes 200 gn bullets best and by my reckoning I have 4" drop at 150 yards. Also its a small case for a big bullet so I fancy something bigger.

​If I get a .300h&h it will be moderated. I can't see the point of spending good money on my .308 which isn't really accurate. So that will reduce the recoil I'd have thought.

 

[bewsher500]

The .308 which I have likes 200 gn bullets best and by my reckoning I have 4" drop at 150 yards.

Christ my catapult is flatter than that!

there are 20 rounds of 220gr Soft Point Kynoch in 300H&H on PigeonWatch...bargain at £50!!

 

[Kalahari]

200 sounds heavy for a .308 to me. 30-06 territory I would think. Pretty ignorant about these things but for Red deer a 30-06 might be a better choice and cheaper to feed than a 300 H & H. This grieves me to say it as I am a serious fan of the 300 H & H!

David.

 

[scrumbag]

200 sounds heavy for a .308 to me. 30-06 territory I would think. Pretty ignorant about these things but for Red deer a 30-06 might be a better choice and cheaper to feed than a 300 H & H. This grieves me to say it as I am a serious fan of the 300 H & H!

David.

220gr is even heavy for a .30-06. Infact I understand some rifles won't stabilise it. (Or feed for that matter, long old projectile and I understand, can impede case volume but I'm not a reloader so would happily be corrected on that).

ATB,

Scrummy

 

[alberta boy]

200 sounds heavy for a .308 to me. 30-06 territory I would think. Pretty ignorant about these things but for Red deer a 30-06 might be a better choice and cheaper to feed than a 300 H & H. This grieves me to say it as I am a serious fan of the 300 H & H!

David.

Exactly my thought, a 200 gr bullet out of a 308 win is pushing the design parameters of the cartridge, I've found anything over 180 gr's tends to lead to diminishing returns. I agree with Kalahari, a 30-06 with say, a 165 gr Partition driven to about 2800 fps ( easily attained and usually very accurate in every 06 I've owned ) shoots flat, retains energy well and recoils a lot less. It has more than enough energy to take on Reds with, to be honest I'd hunt anything we have here with that combo , its readily available and a hell of alot cheaper to feed.

If you decide to go after larger game, the 30-06 will handle the heavier bullets better than the 308 will. Honestly, I'd look around at rifles in the calibers mentioned, find one in decent condition that fits you and go from there. Hope this helps.

AB

 

[tackb]

Honestly , just get a good 308 (or other similar) load it with 150-180g bullets (whatever it prefers) and then shoot the deer in the right place , they will fall over.

 

[Beretta]

The other consideration is i want non military caliber for the possibility of taking it abroad.

As i say i don't like the .308 really and do want a change.

Expensive feeding aint too much of a problem as

a) I will handload
b) I wont be shooting many.

And i also like the appeal of non common calibers. The thing with the .200 H&H is that .30 cal bullets are easily available and i already have them from the .308

 

[scrumbag]

The other consideration is i want non military caliber for the possibility of taking it abroad.

Where you thinking for abroad? France now allows most military calibres including .308 and .30-'06. So, if France was the sticking point might not be an issue any more.

ATB,Scrummy

 

[tackb]

The other consideration is i want non military caliber for the possibility of taking it abroad.

As i say i don't like the .308 really and do want a change.

Expensive feeding aint too much of a problem as

a) I will handload
b) I wont be shooting many.

And i also like the appeal of non common calibers. The thing with the .200 H&H is that .30 cal bullets are easily available and i already have them from the .308

​300winmag then , problem solved !

 

[Conor1]

+1

 

[M275]

The great advantage of having so many calibres to choose from is that you can have the one that appeals to you most. It's always appealed to me too, so I bought an early Sako L61R Finnbear in 300 H&H which I hope to bring to the UK some time. You'd probably have an easier life with a more recent 300 design but if the H&H is what you want then go for it, it's a high-class cartridge.

I'm sure other people to pushing you towards other cartridges is having exactly the reverse effect..!

 

[Yorkie]

Laurie Holland built a .300 Holland a few years back and did some good articles on the build and subsequent shooting. He is a Forum member so may be worth a PM. He is a nice fellow and seems willing to help.
Just looked at Midway and 300 Holland Brass is available. £88 for 20 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yorkie.

 

[Beretta]

Laurie Holland built a .300 Holland a few years back and did some good articles on the build and subsequent shooting. He is a Forum member so may be worth a PM. He is a nice fellow and seems willing to help.
Just looked at Midway and 300 Holland Brass is available. £88 for 20 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yorkie.

​Whats his forum name?