.303, good enough to fight a war, why is it not widely used for stalking?

Nothing at all wrong with the old .303 British except that as a flanged cartridge it doesn't really lend itself to modern day bolt action magazine rifles which work much better with a rimless cartridge.
It's nice to see that the colonies still hold this cartridge in such high regard even if most of us in the U.K. have consigned it to history.
 
Not cool and shiney I don't think ballistics have anything to do with it, as well from others comments finding a good ones hard so the effort finding one as a first rifle seems huge compared to an off the shelf howa shame but I think they have had there day
 
They've not had their day in my book. It's my one and only gun related ambition to own and stalk with a no.4. It's the best part of 30 years since I've fired one, but as a spotty 13 year old army cadet quaking on the firing point, the experience of firing a .303 as my first ever full bore rifle is something I will never forget, and sincerely wish to re-visit.
 
They've not had their day in my book. It's my one and only gun related ambition to own and stalk with a no.4. It's the best part of 30 years since I've fired one, but as a spotty 13 year old army cadet quaking on the firing point, the experience of firing a .303 as my first ever full bore rifle is something I will never forget, and sincerely wish to re-visit.


My experience was very similar but in my case it is something that I would sincerely hope never to experience ever again. It was down right criminal allowing young lads to shoot under an enclosed covered firing point with only rolled up pieces of 4x2 to act as improvised hearing protection.

It wasn't much better when I joined the RAF some years later and we were issued with ear plugs which came in a range of sizes but we were all issued with the same size plugs (the wrong size).
 
4x2...... You were lucky!!!

there was bugger all H&S in those days as I'm sure you remember, I honestly don't recall any ear protection on the cf ranges as a cadet, I didn't care care in those days, the thrill of the shooting eclipsed everything else.
 
4x2...... You were lucky!!!

there was bugger all H&S in those days as I'm sure you remember, I honestly don't recall any ear protection on the cf ranges as a cadet, I didn't care care in those days, the thrill of the shooting eclipsed everything else.

Yep, my first experience of .303's was as an army cadet too. H&S was certainly alien to us. The armoury at our boarding school was at the back of an old Nissan hut, featuring a wooden door and a padlock as security. At one time there was a scare that the IRA were looking to steal rifles in England and as a result, we did patrols in the surrounding woods with the Lee Enfields, each of us having been issued with a handful of blanks!! So the lack of ear protection pales into insignificance, although it would never have occurred to us. I agree, shooting on the MOD ranges with them was all good Boys Own stuff. Especially when we got to have a go on a Bren gun. I remember one time (at band camp - um I mean cadet camp) in South Wales a pheasant found itself half way down the range. Of course, the poor thing got a round apiece from those at the firing point.

The .303 cartridge and a Lee Enfield were indeed thought of as the top bolt action rifle for much of it's service life by many, fairly unsurprisingly. I recently shot a friend's Carcano, a Cavalry Carbine complete with fold-out bayonet and if that's the general quality of other offerings of the period, it certainly explains why the Lee Enfield was so well thought of and maybe even partly explains the Italian involvement in WW2. Carrying one of those things, there's only one way I'd like to go! The bolt action, compared to the Enfield was at best, very poor. I can just imagine Italian soldiers fiddling like hell to get another round up the spout as some Allied troops bared down on you. :???:
 
Legolas you appear about ten years older than me all my mates that did cadetts spoke of shooting a 556 the link you had with the 303 doesn't happen now which can only reduce interest I think they sound like a fun gun to own but there hay day I think is behind us
 
Yep, my first experience of .303's was as an army cadet too. H&S was certainly alien to us. The armoury at our boarding school was at the back of an old Nissan hut, featuring a wooden door and a padlock as security. At one time there was a scare that the IRA were looking to steal rifles in England and as a result, we did patrols in the surrounding woods with the Lee Enfields, each of us having been issued with a handful of blanks!! So the lack of ear protection pales into insignificance, although it would never have occurred to us. I agree, shooting on the MOD ranges with them was all good Boys Own stuff. Especially when we got to have a go on a Bren gun. I remember one time (at band camp - um I mean cadet camp) in South Wales a pheasant found itself half way down the range. Of course, the poor thing got a round apiece from those at the firing point.
The .303 cartridge and a Lee Enfield were indeed thought of as the top bolt action rifle for much of it's service life by many, fairly unsurprisingly. I recently shot a friend's Carcano, a Cavalry Carbine complete with fold-out bayonet and if that's the general quality of other offerings of the period, it certainly explains why the Lee Enfield was so well thought of and maybe even partly explains the Italian involvement in WW2. Carrying one of those things, there's only one way I'd like to go! The bolt action, compared to the Enfield was at best, very poor. I can just imagine Italian soldiers fiddling like hell to get another round up the spout as some Allied troops bared down on you. :???:

My experience in Army Cadets in Australia was the same. I went to NCO camp and we were given Bren training and at the range a rabbit took off up the range and diagonally across the butts. A stream of 303s followed it. It got away.
We have to remember too that the .303 British was obsolete before the first World War. Britain recognised the need for a new 'sub' caliber and set about creating what would have been one of the world's finest military cases (.276 British) had it survived. WWI then WWII put paid to that. It is worth noting that the .276 cal is now considered the most desirable caliber to replace the 5.56 'Fairydust' (NATO round).
The 303 is a fine round but has no charisma to new shooters. Modern companies constantly release 'new' calibers, with the same ballistics as old calibers and claim they are the "Dux nuts".
It's all marketing.
 
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The .303 is, of course a historical calibre and rifles have not been made in any great numbers to accommodate it for quite some time. (Perhaps Khyber Pass Saturday night specials apart). So I suppose to say that it's heyday is passed is probably correct. But it is still held in high regard, nay even affection by many for a good few reasons, many of them personal. Think of a battle rifle of the first half of the last century and a Lee Enfield immediately springs to mind. Think of what a person in the street would consider the shape of a rifle round to be and it will be the classic shape of a .303. It's nearly a design icon!

They are still used on live game. Indeed in certain far flung corners they are still used as battle rifles. But their growth in popularity of late is in the collector's market (by which I mean collectors who shoot them). But the same reasons that people want to collect them, combined with the rigmarole of having to apply for a certificate has seen a great amount of these rifles smooth bored to use 410 shotgun cartridges, or even worse, deactivated so they can never be fired again! Certainly in the UK you will find many more deactivated Enfield .303's than intact ones for sale at any one time. Which I think is a great crime. Although I suppose if the alternative to deactivating them is that they are destroyed, then perhaps there's a place for the deactivated examples?
 
303 016.webp

I have a Mk4 no2. It was brand new and in the grease when I was given it by a very generous American client. It now has a larger scope on it than the picture shows, and I bought the sporterised stock from an old gun shop in Birmingham, now long gone, for £35.00 :D

I have used it in Africa on plains game, and also stalked with it in this country on odd occasions. It is perfectly good for taking all the species of deer in the U.K. I treat it like an old vintage car....................it only goes out on dry days.

I love it and most people are quite envious when they see it.
 
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