6.5 variation question.

[steve19]

Ive put in for a variation for a 6.5 but haven't sated what 6.5.

The question is, has anyone ever been asked what exact calibre 6.5 they want?

I've asked a few people and they have it on their license as 6.5 creedmoor but that's what they've specifically asked for. I'm planning on a 6.5prc but don't want to state that incase I change my mind and end up with creed.

 

[Will the chippy]

It states calibre not cartridge. Leics do it like this, I asked for a 223 but they said just put down 22 centre fire. Keeps your options open.
You can debate it with them if they ring you.

 

[Scotty99]

I have an open slot on my licence for a 6.5 mm rifle. Put down 6.5mm as that is the calibre you are asking for, you can decide which cartridge in that calibre at time of purchase.

 

[steve19]

I have an open slot on my licence for a 6.5 mm rifle. Put down 6.5mm as that is the calibre you are asking for, you can decide which cartridge in that calibre at time of purchase.

That's 100% what Ive done, just wasn't sure if I'll be asked to specify any further.

 

[steve19]

It states calibre not cartridge. Leics do it like this, I asked for a 223 but they said just put down 22 centre fire. Keeps your options open.
You can debate it with them if they ring you. and they got a bit arsey when I asked for .308/7.62

When I asked for .223 I put down .22CF and they wanted more details. I then put .223/5.56 and they had a moan but ended up putting that down on the slot.

 

[Will the chippy]

Just going by the rules. The chap at the RFD said he'd not seen it like that in lincs so rang up Leics Firearms and they confirmed it. So I got to choose from a hornet to a swift, chose a 22250.

 

[rem284]

When I put in for a 6.5x47( I had just sold a 7mm)I just put 6.5. I already had a 6.5-284. I obviously wanted another ammunition allowance for the x47. The certificate came back with no ammunition allowance for the x47. I phoned them up and the woman said I can just use the ammunition from the 6.5 I already have. I had to go into detail why they were not compatible. So it's perhaps easier to decide what cartridge you want before applying

 

[steve19]

When I put in for a 6.5x47( I had just sold a 7mm)I just put 6.5. I already had a 6.5-284. I obviously wanted another ammunition allowance for the x47. The certificate came back with no ammunition allowance for the x47. I phoned them up and the woman said I can just use the ammunition from the 6.5 I already have. I had to go into detail why they were not compatible. So it's perhaps easier to decide what cartridge you want before applying

I've not got any 6.5mm on my cert at all so luckily for me what happened to you shouldn't be a problem. I'm still not 100% what I want yet.
If they push for it then I'll make a decision on the spot (and then probably regret it!)

 

[Rural Management Services]

As someone said above they might cause you an issue on the ammo allocation as I don’t think I have ever seen an allocation for 6.5mm and nothing after it to make it calibre specific. Even if they did just write 250 x 6.5mm ammo I suppose you could home load and not worry about buying factory from an RFD, but you might be in a weird grey area by making and storing ammo you technically shouldn’t have.

 

[rem284]

As someone said above they might cause you an issue on the ammo allocation as I don’t think I have ever seen an allocation for 6.5mm and nothing after it to make it calibre specific. Even if they did just write 250 x 6.5mm ammo I suppose you could home load and not worry about buying factory from an RFD, but you might be in a weird grey area by making and storing ammo you technically shouldn’t have.

The thought I had at the time was, if I made up a 6.5x47 cartridge I might be holding ammunition not specifically allowed. If I couldn't legally hold the 6.5x47 ammunition, then would I have good reason to possess that rifle. You got to remember the people in the firearms department may not just fully understand the details. For example I had to explain the two 6.5 wasn't compatible.

I understand the dilemma with gaving choose. The 6.5 creedmoor was just released at the time I was making my choice. I wasn't sure if the creedmoor was going to take off!!!!! The 6.5x47 is good though

 

[Twodogs]

Down to individual interpretation.

Guidance on Firearms Licensing Law.

10.4 Applicants are required to enter the calibre and type of firearm(s) and ammunition to be purchased or acquired. The information will normally need to be specific and not cover a range of calibres or a generic group such as .22 CF (centrefire).

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68b6bfe8d723ba6f74dba8ce/Firearms_Guide_-_November_2022_final_.pdf

 

[M@tt]

It states calibre not cartridge. Leics do it like this, I asked for a 223 but they said just put down 22 centre fire. Keeps your options open.
You can debate it with them if they ring you.

The HO put out a circular a few years ago telling FLDs to stop the broad calibre choice on spare slots. It is also written in the a guidance as well.

10.4 Applicants are required to enter the calibre and type of firearm(s) and ammunition to be purchased or acquired. The information will normally need to be specific and not cover a range of calibres or a generic group such as .22 CF (centrefire).

Although the forms state calibre it is cartridge size they're after. The form was probably designed by a non shooter, like much of the firearms laws it would seem.

 

[steve19]

As someone said above they might cause you an issue on the ammo allocation as I don’t think I have ever seen an allocation for 6.5mm and nothing after it to make it calibre specific. Even if they did just write 250 x 6.5mm ammo I suppose you could home load and not worry about buying factory from an RFD, but you might be in a weird grey area by making and storing ammo you technically shouldn’t have.

Itll be home loads no matter what cartridge I choose, I load for 5 calibres and I also do my own 12g slug and buckshot.

MY FEO is fairly new so might have to speak someone else about it. I'll wait for the phonecall and make an update if I'm asked.

 

[6pt-sika]

I’ve shot a truckload of Creedmoors all belonging to others as I worked up loads for them . I’ve owned a single 6.5 PRC in an El Cheapo Savage , I’ve built a pair of 6.5-06’s one on a 98 the other on a 700 , I owned one Ruger 77R in 6.5 REM Mag , I built a 26 Nosler on a 700 , I’ve had four 264 Win Mags a Pre 64 Model 70 two 700’s and a Ruger 1B . I’ve owned three 6.5 Grendel’s a CZ HB a Howa and an AR15 . I’ve owned I think seven chambered for the 260 ReM three Model 7’s a pair of 700’s as well as two hand rifles in a XP-100R and a Savage Stryker . I’ve owned five Swedish Mausers and a CZ550 FS all in 6.5x55 . I’ve owned two Mannlicher Schoenauer’s in 6.5x54 MS a 700 in 6.5 Sherman Short Magnum and I think finally a TC Contender in 6.5 TCU . And to be totally honest I liked what all of them did inside the parameters I set for them . And at present I still have a 6.5x54 MS , 6.5 Sherman Short Mag , 6.5-06 , 26 Nosler and a 260 Remington . The one I grab the most often is the 6.5x54 MS . One would assume I’m a 6.5 only but I like most of the 6mm and 7mm cartridges as well . Can’t say I’m overly enamored with 30 cals but I have a 308 and 06 , the 270 used to be my big g favorite until I got a 280 REM , but I still have a 270 also . Now I realize a pile of folks are totally taken by the Creedmoor PRC and Grendel but from being at my desk in the gun shop several days a week and being forced to listen to some of the young tacticool folks that get all their info off the net rather than thru practical application it gives me a negative opinion of the three newer cartridges . But more power to them !

 

[big ears]

Ive put in for a variation for a 6.5 but haven't sated what 6.5.

The question is, has anyone ever been asked what exact calibre 6.5 they want?

I've asked a few people and they have it on their license as 6.5 creedmoor but that's what they've specifically asked for. I'm planning on a 6.5prc but don't want to state that incase I change my mind and end up with creed.

Look at it from the FLO point of view.

They have someone applying for a powerful lethal rifle and they don’t know what they want.

Think you need to make up your mind then apply for what you want. Being vague never works IMHO.

 

[Bowland blades]

yes some forces will and some will not , welcome to UK firearms and the difference force to force across the UK

 

[jb1]

I've applied for 17 cal and 30 cal in the past, I was asked what calibre are you asking for ?
An interesting conversation followed and shortly after my licence lanon the matt with 17 and 30 cal authorised to purchase.
I think allot depends on how you put you point across and why.

 

[M@tt]

I think allot depends on how you put you point across and why.

It is now frowned upon, the Guidance advices against it and the HO sent out a circular telling FLDs to stop the practice.

But, if your authority to acquire has a broad calibre/cartridge-size choice then enjoy the semi-freedom you have to play with.

There is legal precedence where a "22 rifle" slot was filled by a 22cf. The police told the judge or magistrate, that they meant 22rf. The judge said "then you should have put 22rf".
This might have been the catalyst for the HO circular for tightening up the system.

 

[eldon]

North Yorkshire Police is one of the better forces for fac matters and they won't accept a request for a "6.5mm calibre" slot.

Once submitted, I received a polite phone call saying I needed to specify which one, exactly.

 

[jb1]

It is now frowned upon, the Guidance advices against it and the HO sent out a circular telling FLDs to stop the practice.

But, if your authority to acquire has a broad calibre/cartridge-size choice then enjoy the semi-freedom you have to play with.

There is legal precedence where a "22 rifle" slot was filled by a 22cf. The police told the judge or magistrate, that they meant 22rf. The judge said "then you should have put 22rf".
This might have been the catalyst for the HO circular for tightening up the system.

It was a number of years back now, and not surprised its changed. The FLO that was present did say they needed some guidance back at the office and to wait and see what the ticket has on it when it lands on the matt.