6.5x55 vs 6.5 Creedmoor

Who knows MrTrigger, but looking at it's growing popularity in the USA it probably will be a stayer... but we don't live in the USA and you need to think of the availability of ammo and components here in the UK, not over there in the USA.

From personal experience... I had a 300 win mag barrel for my blaser on my wish list but was then offered a silly, silly deal on a 300 weatherby barrel which is arguably a better round so jumped at it only to find that, whilst in the states, 300 wby ammo and brass is readily available, over here in the UK its like rocking horse crap... luckily I procured a couple of hundred rounds with my barrel so should be ok for a while but I am sweating a little for when I run out, reloading them isn't that straightforward either apparently due to the belted case! hey ho... so... in hindsight, being a brit and living in the UK, the 300WM would have probably been the better choice....

Whats a good option living in the states isn't necessarily a good option living in the UK and dealers don't tend to carry things that move too slowly!
 
Who knows MrTrigger, but looking at it's growing popularity in the USA it probably will be a stayer... but we don't live in the USA and you need to think of the availability of ammo and components here in the UK, not over there in the USA.

From personal experience... I had a 300 win mag barrel for my blaser on my wish list but was then offered a silly, silly deal on a 300 weatherby barrel which is arguably a better round so jumped at it only to find that, whilst in the states, 300 wby ammo and brass is readily available, over here in the UK its like rocking horse crap... luckily I procured a couple of hundred rounds with my barrel so should be ok for a while but I am sweating a little for when I run out, reloading them isn't that straightforward either apparently due to the belted case! hey ho... so... in hindsight, being a brit and living in the UK, the 300WM would have probably been the better choice....

Whats a good option living in the states isn't necessarily a good option living in the UK and dealers don't tend to carry things that move too slowly!

I agree with you 100%, I would not like to fall into that trap of buying a rifle and then not being able to use it. The UK is definitely behind in terms of what the USA has available to them... I asked the question here and the guys have replied back saying there are no supply issues with regards to the CM ammo components etc, with Lapua releasing the brass, so long as it is available in the UK, that is one hole plugged and with heads available the rest is all gravy...

Of course, like I said, I am not going to jump on the CM bandwagon just yet, I will wait and see how easily we can get the Lapua cases here and then I will decide on which to adopt. As Lapua goes, they are generally very good with distribution but who knows what could happen... I will play it by ear for a bit...
 
I agree with you 100%, I would not like to fall into that trap of buying a rifle and then not being able to use it. The UK is definitely behind in terms of what the USA has available to them... I asked the question here and the guys have replied back saying there are no supply issues with regards to the CM ammo components etc, with Lapua releasing the brass, so long as it is available in the UK, that is one hole plugged and with heads available the rest is all gravy...

Of course, like I said, I am not going to jump on the CM bandwagon just yet, I will wait and see how easily we can get the Lapua cases here and then I will decide on which to adopt. As Lapua goes, they are generally very good with distribution but who knows what could happen... I will play it by ear for a bit...

If you are reloading from day one, I doubt you will have an issue... primers, bullets and powders are pretty much universal and you will have the same issues (or lack thereof) you would with any calibre, Spud has 6.5mm Creedmoor (there you go JCS!) brass (at almost twice the price of 6.5x55 brass!!!!!) so that shouldn't hinder you.

If you are considering using factory ammo, I would strongly suggest you call the RFDs in your area (or out as far as you are willing to travel) and check to see what they carry... nothing more frustrating than finding a round you and your rifle like only to find there aren't any more after the first 2 boxes!
 
Yes absolutely, hence why I am waiting to see what Lapua bring their brass in at, hopefully they will be more reasonable, this is partly the reason for waiting. If they can be competitive then all the rest I can manage with as I will be doing my own reloading. My local RFD carries all the other accessories that I would need and I can have Spud as a backup plan if he were to run out of say heads...
 
Yes absolutely, hence why I am waiting to see what Lapua bring their brass in at, hopefully they will be more reasonable, this is partly the reason for waiting. If they can be competitive then all the rest I can manage with as I will be doing my own reloading. My local RFD carries all the other accessories that I would need and I can have Spud as a backup plan if he were to run out of say heads...

That is for Lapua.. pre order.. £100 a box vs 63 a box for 6.5x55... may settle down a bit when launched
 
Blimey, you really did fall out of bed the wrong side this morning! either that or you forgot to take your meds...

It was a genuine question... what records have been broken by the Creedmore? You talk about evidence and facts but have presented none! ANNNDDDD you have completely misunderstood my original post!

My point is quite simple... on paper, there is a POSSIBILITY, that the creedmore could perform better than the swede, the swede isn't typically a go to choice for 1k shooting, that tends to be mainly 6mm in the benchrest world and mainly 308 in the F/tr world. But, the potential gains of a creedmore over a swede (if any) will be completely negated by the human element! The main reason new, boutique cartridges such as this gain traction comes down to fashion and really not much else.. so, why handicap yourself and spend a small fortune on a rifle you will ultimately find it difficult and/or expensive to feed... the Swede is as good, or within a degree where human error will make it as good, is easy to obtain, both made up and in components and is so long in the tooth, and popular in Europe, the chances of ammo and components vanishing from the shelves is very low.... can the same be said for the Creedmore?

You are bringing in cross calibre arguments, I was referring to same calibre, different chamberings (apples with apples)... Using your argument why don't we start talking about 338LM or 375 cheytacs? the argument doesn't stand!

there you go , I was right !
 
For the non-handloader (or stalkers who handload but must have access to factory ammunition given bans of handloads in some situations on health & safety policy grounds), the 6.5X55 is going to remain the safe option for a long time here and in continental Europe.

As there is only one expanding bullet load available for the 6.5X47 Lapua (Lapua's 140gn Naturalis bullet loading) and given Lapua factory ammo availability / prices, that option is pretty well a non-runner.

That leaves the 260 and 6.5mm Creedmoor amongst common cartridges - same things almost but old and new. Many on this forum might be surprised to learn that the 260, fine cartridge though it is, has at best been a moderate commercial success and is looking distinctly frail now. Winchester, the world's largest sporting cartridge manufacturer has never loaded 260, nor even made brass for it. Remington whose baby it is, has pretty well neglected it recently during the great US ammunition and components shortage period with complaints on Sniper Hide that Rem brass hasn't been made for two or three years and is now unobtainable. What has saved the 260 in the last 10 years and even given it a minor revival is the US sniper and tactical competition shooting scene. The 7mm-08 Rem stole its clothes in the light-recoil medium deerhunting scene with the Remington Seven selling much better in this chambering than in its original 260 form.

Like all highly competitive and fickle competition disciplines, nothing stays static forever, and the 260 is losing out rapidly now in the American 'Tactical' scene to the Creedmoor. What many here don't know is that David Emery of Hornady and Dennis DeMille of Creedmoor Sports USA who dreamed up the Creedmoor 'concept' over dinner at the US National Matches at Camp Perry one evening less than ten years ago saw its purpose as a factory target cartridge available in nearly all US gunshops at affordable prices (which they are by our standards!). It was expected people would handload and that was catered for too, but there was always the intention that has been stuck to that it would be the most widely available and user-friendly 6.5 on the American market and attempt to do what only 223 and 308 was doing, but in a better way than shooting military surplus ammo or commercial copies of standard milspec loadings. One result of that was that most unusually there were no 'hunting' loads made available on launch or for some time afterwards, only the two AMAX loadings (now replaced by ELD-M). A rapid appearance of deerhunting demand for factory ammo seemed to catch Hornady (and other manufacturers) on the back-foot, but the hunter is now big business in the USA for the cartridge. Hornady now has three ELD-X hunting loads and I gather they're selling very well in the recently started deerhunting season.

At the moment, with the bigger factories producing rather pedestrian 260 and no match loads (same for 6.5X55 and 6.5-284), the place to watch what's happening in the US 6.5mm scene is the smaller manufacturers and suppliers - ABM (Applied Ballistics Munitions which has a close Lapua / Berger Bullets tie-up); Cor-Bon; Prime Ammunition, Copper Creek, and increasingly significant in the American retail market as it is now a Cabela's supplier HSM (Hunting Shack Munitions) plus a few others. They all produce (or contract production in Prime's case) 260 Rem ammo now, most do 6.5X55 and a few 6.5-284. HSM lists no fewer than five 260 loadings split between match and hunting.

The question is what happens now vis a vis the Creedmoor and where that eventually leaves the 260 given they're largely doing the same job. Since these are 'boutique' suppliers selling to a niche market that the big boys are ignoring or serving poorly, the Creedmoor actually looks a poor bet on the face of it - after all why would HSM produce five Creedmoor loadings largely duplicating 260 when Winchester, Hornady, Nosler and other large companies are now making this cartridge? Nevertheless, all the signs are that these small producers are adopting the Creedmoor urgently. One negative factor has been 100% reliance on Hornady brass with both supply and QC issues being big turn-offs. Norma is now available but US producers always prefer to buy in-country if possible. New brass suppliers - Alpha Munitions, Peterson Cartridge and others are appearing all over the place in the US and 6.5 Creedmoor brass is in their immediate production schedules alongside 308 Win. Alpha munitions has already negotiated a supply contract with Copper Creek. I'd be amazed if the Lapua linked ABM doesn't announce Creedmoor match ammo at SHOT 2017 with the new Lapua brass appearing.

So .... everything is going the Creedmoor's way right now. It could be that it'll virtually kill the 260 over the next 10 years. Or ... it could be a short-term wonder and be largely forgotten in 10 years time. My opinion, and others can disagree, is that in 10 years time neither extreme option will occur, but that the Creedmoor will still be around, will have better and more options for both factory ammo user and handloader than the 260 which will survive, but maybe into an unhealthy old age fading away like old soldiers are said to do.

But for the British / European 6.5 user who wants factory, 6.5X55 is still the choice for the stalker buying a rifle today that he or she plans to still own in 20 or 30 years time. Even if American factory expanding loads for 6.5X55 gradually disappear (a distinct possibility), Lapua, Sako, Norma, RWS, PPU etc will still be loading it in Europe.
 
Perfect timing this thread as just sold my .308 which is a calibre ive shot for the last 35 years and was looking at 6.5x55, 6.5x284 and the creedmore as looking to rekindle my paper punching

One of the most informative threads for the 6.5 ive seen in a while.
 
Firstly I am not going to change my 7 x 64 anytime soon, but I have had a play with a 6.5 x 55 and like many classic cartridges it does feed beautifully.

David.
 
Well I really did enjoy all the infomation given . I shoot with two 6.5x55's both for stalking and shot one out to a 1000 yds at WMS . Two friends shoot .260's , I went to a gun shop yesterday with a mate and we saw a Remington special edition .260 he is now thinking about it . I have told him to read the past eight pages . Me looking and handling that rifle yesterday and if I did not have the 6.5's I would have been tempted
 
Well I really did enjoy all the infomation given . I shoot with two 6.5x55's both for stalking and shot one out to a 1000 yds at WMS . Two friends shoot .260's , I went to a gun shop yesterday with a mate and we saw a Remington special edition .260 he is now thinking about it . I have told him to read the past eight pages . Me looking and handling that rifle yesterday and if I did not have the 6.5's I would have been tempted

What was WMS like? A worthwhile day out considering it's a 6 hour drive for me?
 
Forget the case/calibre rubbish a 6.5 bullet will fly according to the bullet and its velocity if every one had a modern 6.5 X 55 BUILT TO MODERN SPECS AND IDEAS IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE 6.5X47 OR CREEDMOOR
People should compare apples with apples only compare modern rifles with modern rifles people must stop rehashing and repeating the old bull from american gun magazines
if you want a 6.5 buy the gun you like that is available and use it
I use 6.5x55 with a throat cut for modern bullets (123gr Scenar) it suits my needs everything is available second cheapest brass after 308 but go with what you feel happy with
 
+1 for Laurie's post - just bought a 6.5x55 on SD and looking forward to seeing what it can do at Bisley, as well as in the field from high seats or longer shots across fields (max c.250yrds), hopefully keeping my .308 for the woods.
 
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