6mm 223 aka 6 x 45

Bilbo

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Does anybody have any experience with this wildcat cartridge?

I am toying with the idea of having my 223 Remington Model 7 rebarreled in this caliber with a 1:8 twist so that I can use the heavier end of the 6mm bullet line up.

I believe it's only one pass through a resizing die to neck the 223 case up to 6mm.

Cheers

Bilbo
 
What would you intend to use it for Bilbo?

It don't think it make 1700ft/lb so would be restricted to small deer (muntjac + CWD in England and Wales plus roe in Scotland) where as a .223 can be used anyway. It wouldn't be as flat shooting as a .223rem so arguably less suitable for foxes other than at close range.

Nice idea and probably very nice to shoot but is it worth the expense and trouble just to have something different? You will be stuck with a wildcat that nobody makes factory ammo for so less saleable when you get bored with it and want to sell it on.
 
What does he intend to use it for Brewsher, and what is his reasoning behind the build?
 
What does he intend to use it for Bewsher, and what is his reasoning behind the build?


He is the right side of the border to use sensible calibre/cartridges on roe (i.e. north!)
its just a nice 6mm/.223 for deer with a few more bullet options I guess..something different

I was researching a 6x47 Rem, same principle but on the larger .222 Magnum cartridge.
If I can find a 6mm bore Handi Rifle barrel I will consider it, I already have a .222 handi
 
Does anybody have any experience with this wildcat cartridge?

I am toying with the idea of having my 223 Remington Model 7 rebarreled in this caliber with a 1:8 twist so that I can use the heavier end of the 6mm bullet line up.

I believe it's only one pass through a resizing die to neck the 223 case up to 6mm.

Cheers

Bilbo

Hi Bilbo

It's a 1:8 barrel I have.

I got my Hornady die set from Jon Dellar (JDR is his username) for £70ish. It's not much more for the redding or Forster dies. I have resized some 223 cases to make dummy rounds and it's a simple pass through the 6x45 die.

I did start a 6x45 post a few months back.

Cheers,

Rory
 
What does he intend to use it for Brewsher, and what is his reasoning behind the build?

A bit more muzzle energy than a .223 with a very similar trajectory whilst using the same amount of powder. Shouldn't cost any more than a .223 to load for. Longer barrel life also, I think.

Main reason was that it was fun and different.

By the way, it hasn't been a wildcat for a while now. It's SAAMI approved.
 
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and as brewsher says you are the right side of the wall. :-D

If I lived up your way or if the laws in our part of the U.K. were more sensible with regard to roe I think that I would be tempted too. It sounds like a nice cartridge for roe.
 
Thanks for the replies

The Remmy model 7 is my fox rifle and if while foxing a muntie comes along (within hours) then i'll take it as well.

The rifle currently has the factory barrel with the slower twist (Remington I think do a 1:12 and a 1:9 barrel for 223?). This rather reduces the available selection of bullets - 62 gr SS109s go through the target sideways.

So thinking of rebarreling (even if I stick to 223) with a 1:8 or faster to allow for 70-75gr or heavier. So my reasoning is if I am going to rebarrel then the only potential extra cost will be the cost of a reamer / feeler gauges (if headspace is different to 223 which it may not be) Oh and the dies. I already load for 6x47 Lapua 1:8 so have the heavier bullets already and shoot Civilian Service Rifle on occasions so endless supply of 223 brass.

Sadly I think the best in terms of ft / lbs is going to be circa 1575 -1600 e.g. 105gr @ 2600 fps

My son is turning 14 shortly which means he can do the beginners course with the NRA at Bisley. So my thinking is a low recoiling rifle with legs out to 600 yards for target - better bullet BC with the say Berger 105s will go a long way to improve the trajectory at slower speeds. see chart below

:lol: Give me a little longer, I will probably come up with a bunch of other dubious reasons....bottom line I think it would be something different and a bit of fun with the promise of a very accurate rifle.

AR15_alternate_calibers.webp

Cheers Bilbo
 
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Hi Bilbo

It's a 1:8 barrel I have.

I got my Hornady die set from Jon Dellar (JDR is his username) for £70ish. It's not much more for the redding or Forster dies. I have resized some 223 cases to make dummy rounds and it's a simple pass through the 6x45 die.

I did start a 6x45 post a few months back.

Cheers,

Rory

Thanks for your repy...just had a read of your "6x45 excitement" post. Did you source the reamer/gauges in the UK and are the Pacific Tool & Gauge?

Cheers Bilbo
 
Same headspace gauges as a .223 so it's just the reamer and dies you'll need. I ordered from Manson and they were very helpful - ordered on Thursday and had the reamer on Tuesday (£180 all in with floating pilots, postage, import duty).

I've checked and I can seat a 105 A-max to fit in my magazine (2.36" COAL). It does protrude quite far into the case though.

I think something like the 87gr V-max is the best intermediate range bullet. BC of 0.4 and able to get to 2800-2900fps with 6x45. The new 95gr Sierra TMK might be good for targets etc too.

I know of one guy in the US that has achieved 3000fps with an 85gr bullet (1700ft.lb) with Varget (26" barrel). I don't think that this is the norm though.
 
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Same headspace gauges as a .223 so it's just the reamer and dies you'll need. I ordered from Manson and they were very helpful - ordered on Thursday and had the reamer on Tuesday (£180 all in with floating pilots, postage, import duty).

I've checked and I can seat a 105 A-max to fit in my magazine (2.36" COAL). It does protrude quite far into the case though.

I think something like the 87gr V-max is the best intermediate range bullet. BC of 0.4 and able to get to 2800-2900fps with 6x45. The new 95gr SMK might be good for targets etc too.

I know of one guy in the US that has achieved 3000fps with an 85gr bullet (1700ft.lb) with Varget (26" barrel). I don't think that this is the norm though.

Thanks for that. I have my model 7 in a MDT LSS Chassis which takes their polymer magazine - apparently will feed upto COL of 2.55"
 
Interesting article from 2004

This is another wildcat come good here in Africa.


The 6x45 is a wildcat created by necking up the 223 Remington to 6mm (.243). This wildcat first appeared in 1965 shortly after Remington launched the 223 as a sporting cartridge. Initially it was quite popular as a benchrest and varmint calibre in the US (varminters liked the reduced winddrift as opposed to the 22 calibres). The cartridge will launch 70 and 75gr bullets at 3000ft/s and the 100 gr bullet at 2400ft/s. The cartridge was also quite popular in NRA match competitions.


In 1973 the cartridge set a new IBS 200yard record of 0.3062”. The cartridge could not compete with the 308 Win in match competition though and in the benchrest arena it was replaced by the 6mm PPC. Today in the US this cartridge is relegated to the occasional varminter.

This cartridge has become quite popular in South Africa as a small game cartridge, mainly I believe because our local gun magazine has written some glowing eulogies to it. In essence in the SA application, it is used as a small game bushveld cartridge with the 100gr bullet at about 2350ft/s. At this velocity it is adequate for our most common small antelope the impala but it is also capable of handling slightly larger animals such as blesbok and in a pinch Hartbeest or Njala.

A little aside here: A "bushveld calibre" is a calibre that throws a bullet at low velocity. Ideal is regarded as around 2300 to 2400ft/s. At this velocity meat damage is minimised, penetration is excellent, it has sufficient range for bushveld hunting (most shots below 150 yards) and one gets reliable performance from conventional construction bullets.

The beauty of this cartridge is that you can build very small light rifles on the mini actions (the Zastava mini action has been the action of choice). Many people have fallen in love with these small “sexy” rifles and the 6X45 with its low recoil is perfect for this application. It also has notably less muzzle blast than many of the “standard” calibres (243, 308 etc.)

Note, the cartridge is not just short; it has a small case-head meaning you actually use the small bolt, not just a short action with a standard diameter bolt.

There is probably no other wildcat, which has seen as wide application as this one in Africa and it grew to such an extent that one of our larger ammunition manufacturers started producing factory ammunition for it. This expanded its use to non-reloaders and increased its popularity further.

With the lighter bullets the cartridge can be used as a plains country springbok calibre if shots are kept below 300 yards.

Many people obtained these rifles under the pretext that it is for the wife or children (and the rifle is truly excellent for this purpose) and then fall in love with it and before long it is their preferred rifle.

Rifles for this calibre are either built on the mini actions or alternatively people simply buy a 223 and rebarrel it. People who fall in love with small rifles such as .22 Hornets etc. will understand the magic of this little cartridge.
 
I made one once in a single shot falling block rifle. It was OK but the limited bullet weight choice and it's closeness to the performance of a .223 pushed me back to using a .223 and .243. But it was fun messing about with it for a while. One of the first reamers I made by hand (lathe/mill, tool post grinder).
I also built a 6mm/30 International that worked better. It started as a shortened 30/30 case necked down to 6mm and later I got some small primer 30 international cases for it. Can't say that they made much difference. It had about the same capacity as the later 6mm PPC but could be used in rifles that need a rim. I had plans to make the walls more parallel with a sharper shoulder angle but something else came up and the barrel got re-reamed.
It was very similar in performance to the 6mm/223.
 
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