7mm rem mag

The 300 WM kicks even harder and is too much for any UK deer species at sensible ranges. But I am happy to be educated.

What a total crock of Pooooooop.
I shot loads of Muntjac and CWD with the .300 Win-Mag Ed now has from 30yrd to 200yrd and it done/does less damage than a .243.
I also shot 210 fallow Does one season ( .25 was out of action ) without a Moderator never lost a carcass to meat damage and it also never felt any different to shooting a .308 without a moderator Noiser I'll grant you that one[/QUOTE]

You're a hero Boydy.

I'm sure your right. All those physicists must be wrong about energy having anything to do with mass and velocity and all that garbage about equal and opposite reactions, I bet that's a crock of Poooooop tooooo.

Of course a 300 Win Mag isn't going to do any more damage than a 243 Win, what must I have been thinking.
 
What's 1.74? Five foot nine inches? I reckon someone had given you a .303 with an "S" stock..although for the time when the SMLE was actually produced 5' 9'' was still considered tall. My father, born in 1907 was 5' 10" and that, for his time, was tall.
 
What a total crock of Pooooooop.
I shot loads of Muntjac and CWD with the .300 Win-Mag Ed now has from 30yrd to 200yrd and it done/does less damage than a .243.
I also shot 210 fallow Does one season ( .25 was out of action ) without a Moderator never lost a carcass to meat damage and it also never felt any different to shooting a .308 without a moderator Noiser I'll grant you that one

You're a hero Boydy.

I'm sure your right. All those physicists must be wrong about energy having anything to do with mass and velocity and all that garbage about equal and opposite reactions, I bet that's a crock of Poooooop tooooo.

Of course a 300 Win Mag isn't going to do any more damage than a 243 Win, what must I have been thinking.[/QUOTE]

AIN'T a hero at just live in the real world shooting animals and birds which I've done for 40 odd years rather than reading books and punching numbers into a computer then coming up with a ridiculous answer.
If all works for yourself fine good for you just like those that need to dial in scopes and use range finders to be able to shoot deer good for them there choice BUT all i done was to say/state your comment about the .300 Win-Mag was a Crock of Pooooooop which it is 100% is and i stated why.
And like your little shadow from down under you have to get personal and for the record my name I'd not Boydy .
Says alot about you does it not.
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You're a hero Boydy.

I'm sure your right. All those physicists must be wrong about energy having anything to do with mass and velocity and all that garbage about equal and opposite reactions, I bet that's a crock of Poooooop tooooo.

Of course a 300 Win Mag isn't going to do any more damage than a 243 Win, what must I have been thinking.

AIN'T a hero at just live in the real world shooting animals and birds which I've done for 40 odd years rather than reading books and punching numbers into a computer then coming up with a ridiculous answer.
If all works for yourself fine good for you just like those that need to dial in scopes and use range finders to be able to shoot deer good for them there choice BUT all i done was to say/state your comment about the .300 Win-Mag was a Crock of Pooooooop which it is 100% is and i stated why.
And like your little shadow from down under you have to get personal and for the record my name I'd not Boydy .
Says alot about you does it not.
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Not sure what to call you. Not sure about using Stalkerboydy but if you insist.

No need to get all bent out of shape. I think you started the "personal" attack by referring to my thoughts as a "Crock of Pooooop". I don't think I got personal in any way, I just got a little sarcastic and after your comment you probably deserved it.

As for your comments on "my little shadow down under" I presume you are referring to Dodgyknees who disagreed with your opinions a couple of posts back. He is someone who shoots a great many deer and goats over greater distances than we tend to in the UK, has been for many years and knows what he's talking about. We happen to agree on a lot of things and enjoy a bit of friendly banter but it's a bit insulting to refer to him in the way you have.

I might have had my tongue in my cheek when I wrote the reply to you, but the facts are correct and I don't think you will find many people on this forum who will dispute the fact that you don't need a 300 Win Mag and 3800 ftLb of energy to shoot any UK species at reasonable distances and if you do the bullet will do significantly more damage than a 243 Win running 2000 ftLb. If you feel you need to use a 300 Win Mag that's your call.

Also going to ignore your comments on keyboard warriors and ridiculous answers. That is pretty insulting but seems to be your MO.
 
rifles don't do damage
Bullets do

Poorly chosen bullet of any weight shot at the wrong place on the wrong quarry will make a mess

My messiest carcase yet was with a .222 at 110yds on a roe through both shoulders - 60gr Hornady SP
The first buck ever I shot with a .270 through the shoulder at 40 yds...that wasn't pretty - 130gr Interlock
A doe a shot with a .243 - 87gr Interlock
A red hind a calf with .270 - RWS 130gr T Mantle
A red hind with a 180gr Lapua Mega out of the 300 when the scope shat itself and I shot it high and left

I remember them all

Match the bullet frangibility to the right terminal velocity range and quarry and no bullet weight or calibre will do more damage than the next
Drive a poorly structured bullet fast into a shoulder and take a dustpan and brush

Terminal energy does not do damage.
The resultant friction, deformation and bullet path do.

A bullet impacting with 2000ftlbs doing a grenade impression will make a shed load more mess than one arriving with 3000flbs and leaving with 1800ftlbs as it exits

I shot an awful lot with the 300wm before I sold it
40yds to 320yds, never had a runner, never lost any carcase
lot to be said for big and heavy...

and its bloody good fun!!
 
rifles don't do damage
Bullets do

Poorly chosen bullet of any weight shot at the wrong place on the wrong quarry will make a mess

My messiest carcase yet was with a .222 at 110yds on a roe through both shoulders - 60gr Hornady SP
The first buck ever I shot with a .270 through the shoulder at 40 yds...that wasn't pretty - 130gr Interlock
A doe a shot with a .243 - 87gr Interlock
A red hind a calf with .270 - RWS 130gr T Mantle
A red hind with a 180gr Lapua Mega out of the 300 when the scope shat itself and I shot it high and left

I remember them all

Match the bullet frangibility to the right terminal velocity range and quarry and no bullet weight or calibre will do more damage than the next
Drive a poorly structured bullet fast into a shoulder and take a dustpan and brush

Terminal energy does not do damage.
The resultant friction, deformation and bullet path do.

A bullet impacting with 2000ftlbs doing a grenade impression will make a shed load more mess than one arriving with 3000flbs and leaving with 1800ftlbs as it exits

I shot an awful lot with the 300wm before I sold it
40yds to 320yds, never had a runner, never lost any carcase
lot to be said for big and heavy...

and its bloody good fun!!

Absolutely agree Ed on all counts including the fun bit.

But I still maintain that you don't need a 300 WM for anything in the UK and if you run like for like bullets a 300 WM is going to do more damage than a 243 does especially to a Muntjac or CWD which can be shot very successfully with a 22CF. And there are more comfortable chamberings to shoot that will do the job we need doing equally well. Dead is dead after all.

Why do some people on here think they are the only ones who have any experience shooting deer and managing wildlife. We get to learn a lot through listening to other peoples ideas and views on this forum. We don't have to agree with all of them but we don't have to resort to insulting them if they are different to our own. What ever happened to intelligent debate?

Rant over, I'll go back to sleep now. :-D
 
.300 mags do 'jump' there is no doubt about it and some people are less recoil tolerant than others. A lot of it is the noise/muzzle blast and believe it or not the people less tolerant to recoil can help that to a degree by wearing ear plugs AND ear muffs.
If you can totally block the noise it will help make you a better shooter during practice.
A lot of it is the actual noise that people don`t want to hear,a noise that when fired at a stag is never even heard in most cases.

I took my 25-06 up the back and rattled off a dozen shots over my portable bench,and after using the bigger fellas the .25 is a joy to shoot @ 12 odd pounds of recoil.
For many in the UK I have thought that the 25-06 is a ripping little cracker with the appropriate projectiles to suit big or small deer,mild to shoot and as flat as a **** carters hat to boot.

Then I step up to the .358 Norma mag and its a booter at 30 plus pounds BUT when shooting at deer one never feels a thing whether noise or recoil.
My Kiwi mate said on his first shot "that ******* has substantially far more recoil than I thought"

I have seen fellas shooting far bigger and punishing calibres at home but they never seem to equal the results that they have advised previously..:roll:
 
Stalkerboydy!

Relax mate, chill out! Take a pill, have a lie down. There, there. You too NigelM, all good, no need to argue. To be fair stalkerboydy, you started it mate… but there was no intention to offend with my little play on words – it’s called a pun – but clearly it wasn’t very funny. Or maybe you’re the kind of bloke that is easily offended? Who knows? If you want properly offensive posts, try any number of the other forums out there, they are full of it, which thankfully this one generally isn’t.

Mum’s away this week so this morning I snuck out with my boys for quick hunt, not usually allowed on a school day, don’t tell on us. A fine frosty morning after weeks of rain and mud… look what we knocked over… pestilence on four legs, they are dropping their kids now the little parasites. Good old .243 doing what it does best. The first two were knocked over at 385m quite steeply downhill, fairly breezy from 22h00, lower neck shots and dropped on the spot. The second mob was close range stuff (~40m), five goats in four quick shots, with one of those highly enjoyable 2-for-1s. Sierra Prohunter 1540 100gr as usual.

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Now stalkerboydy… at 385m, downhill, quite windy, do you think I used my rangefinder to establish my drop? Do you think I used my anemometer to check the windage? Do you think I entered these variables into Strelock on my phone? I didn’t dial it in to my scope because this one doesn’t have ballistic turrets and I use the BDC reticle instead. Do you think I had my boys checking the trees between the shooting position and the point of impact for wind gusts? Do you think I took my time to settle my breathing to make sure of the shot? You bet I did, all of the above. Just like normal. Teaching my boys the most important behaviour of all – patience.

Maybe you’re old school, not into the tech or the science, but let me tell you from one bloke to another (and we’re probably not far off the same age): the tech and the science make for a way more competent medium range shooter. By that I mean 250m-700m, though in practice both my standard .243 and .308 are limited by energy / twist / bullet weight so I don’t shoot deer beyond 500m. If you’re wanting to shoot long range, then it’s a given that you are all over the science and the tech (hopefully).

No one should be shooting at animals beyond their maximum point blank range without understanding the science and using the tech. And it helps greatly to understand MPBR as well. For me the science behind the sport makes the sport a great deal more enjoyable… it fills a hole on cold winter nights, books educate me, working with ballistics and load programs checks what I’m doing in the shed, and very importantly tests my thinking when I’m considering buying a new calibre / barrel length / twist to make sure it can do what I want it to do. And above all, at 250m+, understanding the physics behind each shot gives me a whole lot more confidence that I can make the shot count, and I don’t miss very often mate, very very rarely. If I don’t have the time to set up the shot properly, I don’t take it. Simple. Game will wander off half way through me phaffing around... you know what? I couldn't give a toss, I'll get them next time, or just around the next spur, whatever. This is the big difference between the hill country shooting, and the closer, heavily wooded bush shooting. In the hills I have time on my side, in the woods it’s all on in a flash. In a woods gun, I prefer a heavy pill delivered from a short rifle with a fast acquisition scope, and right now I don’t have that rifle… Hence the interest in TC Encore Pro, Bergara BA13, the Ruger #1.

I’ve said it before on this forum – and to anyone that will listen when we’re out on the hills – I don’t agree with using heavy magnums as a default weapon for light to medium bodied game. And I can waffle on for hours on my soapbox about calibre, projectile choice and the most important variable of all – the point of impact. But I’ll spare you all that as its already been said… several times.

To illustrate the point, somewhere there’s a video that I will see if (a) I can locate and (b) get permission to use on here. It was taken on my neighbour’s property at his “bush range” several years ago. The situation was a precursor to a deer hunt on a third party’s property where the land owner had experienced problems with blokes pitching up with .300WMs and the like, and wounding deer because… they couldn’t shoot them accurately at the ranges they wanted to shoot. Nowhere near enough practice, skill, understanding. So old mate has a trick up his sleeve – before you’re allowed to take your large magnum in a lightweight synthetic stock and point it at deer, you need to demonstrate that you can hit a dinner plate at 400m. And this video is painful to watch man, really cringeworthy, because this “shooter” with his large magnum– he can’t hit the f^kking plate at 300m. BOOOMMM! All over the place. Holy sh*te is this bloke ****ed off, excuses for this, excuses for that... Just like johngryphon says above - they never seem to equal the results that they have advised previously…

But this won’t bother you too much stalkerboydy, because as you say you’re shooting heaps of goat sized muntjac at 30-200yds with the .300WM, which to me is like driving in tacks with a club hammer, but if that’s what works for you then all good. It’s just not for me, or NigelM, or a great many other shooters I’ve hunted with all over the world, where knowledge and skill with far lighter calibres has generally been the order of the day for small, light bodied game.

Anyways, I’m sure whitevanman is having a good chuckle at us getting all shirty on his Ruger #1 post. I’m more guilty than most for dragging posts off topic and preaching from my soapbox, but hey, it’s all good, I don’t mean to offend, and I certainly don’t take offense easily either! Now I’ll head back to the shed to carve up these goats for dog tucker, and a Jamaican goat curry for me and the boys, I’ll be inspecting the carcasses for meat damage, and as usual not finding any to speak of, one of the beauties of the .243 with the correct projectile… accurate as hell, punishing on the animal and kind to the carcass.

Yours most sincerely
Little Shadow
 
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I haven't shot deer in the UK so I can't offer an opinion as to any 30 cal magnums suitability for use there . I have , however used them ( 300WM & 300 H&H ) here for a fair amount of game . They're great calibers and , with appropriate bullets , will cover a large range of species of game . The down side is , they kick ( no moderators allowed in the great white north ) . I never found the recoil abusive , but some do . Recoil tolerance is different for everyone .
Regarding the 7mmRM vs 30/06 , I can't tell the difference between them in similar weight rifles , and , to be honest , I've never noticed any difference between them in terminal performance on game while using comparably constructed and weighted ( sectional density ) bullets .
The main reason I don't own a 300 mag anymore is my 06 does most things I need in a 30 cal . That and the fact that , if I'm going to have to deal with more recoil , I'll go with a larger bore rifle . If I'm going to get into it with something big that fights back , there are a few things here that are more than willing , I'll be carrying something that throws a bigger bullet than a 308 diameter .
Sorry for the hijack White Van Man.

AB
 
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I got rid of my 30-06 and my 270 in favour of the 7mm rem mag which I used in the states, I like it hard hitting and smooth, can be a pig to reload if the belting expands
 
I got rid of my 30-06 and my 270 in favour of the 7mm rem mag which I used in the states, I like it hard hitting and smooth, can be a pig to reload if the belting expands

Yes this is true but is the reason the Larry Willis die was invented and problem solved.
 
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