Cumbrian 1
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Sadly it’s not the 1st of April:
Abolition of section 2 guns
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tackb
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Blaser243
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Fieldsports Britain, not untypically, is ahead of the gun on this. It's tabloid journalism, don't forget that.
The written answer in parliament from the HO does nothing to confirm that S2 will move to S1 beyond what the government already proposed in its June 2025 response to the 2023 consultation. There will be another consultation, published later this year that we will all have the opportunity to contribute to (and we obviously should). No doubt the government would like to go this way, but the written response is helpful in saying they are not intent on pursuing compulsory training as a prerequisite for certificates.
The only thing it does signal is changes to private sales of firearms. Personally that will be an annoyance but something I do infrequently enough for me not really to be that bothered given it would reduce the likelihood of another Luton like situation. It may well also bolster our gun trade which is no bad thing.
The written answer in parliament from the HO does nothing to confirm that S2 will move to S1 beyond what the government already proposed in its June 2025 response to the 2023 consultation. There will be another consultation, published later this year that we will all have the opportunity to contribute to (and we obviously should). No doubt the government would like to go this way, but the written response is helpful in saying they are not intent on pursuing compulsory training as a prerequisite for certificates.
The only thing it does signal is changes to private sales of firearms. Personally that will be an annoyance but something I do infrequently enough for me not really to be that bothered given it would reduce the likelihood of another Luton like situation. It may well also bolster our gun trade which is no bad thing.
Essexsussex
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I watched the link. Is it the latest episode of Brass Eye?
More likely to happen the other way, all S1 to be 24"
Lloyd90
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Norfolk Deer Search
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Is what it is no point crying over problems we can’t solve.
Typical sensationalism from FS.
Nothing is set yet, it’s as @Blaser243 says, there’s another consultation on the way.
If you read the answer to that parliamentary question, it’s not saying move s2 to s1. It’s saying make the s2 controls more like s1. While that may mean getting rid of s2, there are plenty of alternatives that would achieve greater similarity without abolishing s2.
If I was to put a bet on this, I’d say some changes will be made, the govt isn’t going to let this go without ‘covering its arse’ with some kind of amendment. It goes without saying that it’s a deflection from the real cause of Plymouth, but that’s neither here nor there unfortunately.
Where I consider sensible concessions may be obtained is in how this is carried out. The abolition of s2 would be catastrophic, as a single example of why, clay grounds would have to operate like rifle ranges, meaning members or license holders only.
However, a simple change would be to add good reason to the requirement for a certificate (not each firearm) and otherwise leave s2 as is. That would allow the government to say there’s greater alignment without going the whole way and making the s2 into s1.
I certainly don’t agree there’s no point in doing anything about this, as there’s still a good chance that the detail of this change is yet to be determined and the least inconvenient option can be achieved.
Nothing is set yet, it’s as @Blaser243 says, there’s another consultation on the way.
If you read the answer to that parliamentary question, it’s not saying move s2 to s1. It’s saying make the s2 controls more like s1. While that may mean getting rid of s2, there are plenty of alternatives that would achieve greater similarity without abolishing s2.
If I was to put a bet on this, I’d say some changes will be made, the govt isn’t going to let this go without ‘covering its arse’ with some kind of amendment. It goes without saying that it’s a deflection from the real cause of Plymouth, but that’s neither here nor there unfortunately.
Where I consider sensible concessions may be obtained is in how this is carried out. The abolition of s2 would be catastrophic, as a single example of why, clay grounds would have to operate like rifle ranges, meaning members or license holders only.
However, a simple change would be to add good reason to the requirement for a certificate (not each firearm) and otherwise leave s2 as is. That would allow the government to say there’s greater alignment without going the whole way and making the s2 into s1.
I certainly don’t agree there’s no point in doing anything about this, as there’s still a good chance that the detail of this change is yet to be determined and the least inconvenient option can be achieved.
The "news" about issues like this on FSB is always speculation and rage bait with attention grabbing headlines and little solid information.
Norfolk Deer Search
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Something that all of you have got a to realise, and the sooner you will get it into your heads that over the years to come it will become harder and harder and harder to own Firearms!
I realised this a long time ago you just keep ticking the boxes and doing the best you can to keep your guns, because from what I understand now they are looking for any discrepancy to take your guns from you, so it’s cross T’s and did the I’s and do the best you can because in the end it will be taken away from us.
I realised this a long time ago you just keep ticking the boxes and doing the best you can to keep your guns, because from what I understand now they are looking for any discrepancy to take your guns from you, so it’s cross T’s and did the I’s and do the best you can because in the end it will be taken away from us.
You’re probably right, I doubt it’s going to get easier. But doing nothing but bending over when these things are announced only makes it more likely/accelerates the speed at which things get harder.
There’s likely a lot still to play for on this one in terms of how they make s2 ‘more’ like s1. So while this problem is perhaps not solvable (as in, can be got rid of entirely) that doesn’t mean give up.
timbrayford
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The trouble with not having compulsory training is that FLDs will continue to treat qualifications with contempt and instead continue with Chiefs of Police making up their own rules under "additional conditions"
timbrayford
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Absolutely, but its very important that we fight our corner as individuals too.
An ex.MP once told me that he attached more weight to something written personally rather than some standardised letter churned out by an organisation. Just put pen to paper, or keyboard to email, think about what you want to say, leave it a day or so and review what you've said, are the points that you make easy to understand by someone who knows nothing about shooting and firearms law? But above all else make your voice heard to your MP.
Maxine Davison, Lee Martyn, Sophie Martyn, Stephen Washington and Kate Shepherd: Prevention of future deaths report - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary
Date of report: 08/02/2023 Ref: 2023-0085 Deceased name: Maxine Davison, Lee Martyn, Sophie Martyn, Stephen Washington and Kate Shepherd Coroner name: Ian Arrow Coroner Area: Plymouth, Torbay and South Devon Category: Other related deaths | Child Death (from 2015) This report is being sent to...
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Please read this repor, it is a basis for the change proposed.
timbrayford
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But surely that report makes an excellent case for removing police forces from firearms licensing altogether and replacing with a dedicated agency with strict levels of professionalism and competence required from their staff?Maxine Davison, Lee Martyn, Sophie Martyn, Stephen Washington and Kate Shepherd: Prevention of future deaths report - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary
Date of report: 08/02/2023 Ref: 2023-0085 Deceased name: Maxine Davison, Lee Martyn, Sophie Martyn, Stephen Washington and Kate Shepherd Coroner name: Ian Arrow Coroner Area: Plymouth, Torbay and South Devon Category: Other related deaths | Child Death (from 2015) This report is being sent to...
Please read this repor, it is a basis for the change proposed.
Norfolk Deer Search
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The problem is, we’re not the ones fighting, we’re relying on the spineless shooting organisations who roll over at every possible compromise, if it was us fighting would all be banged up and have our guns taken away because we would be going against the establishment and the rulemakers!
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