An absolute disgrace or am I expecting too much

[Cygnus]

Hi everyone,
I'd like to hear peoples opinions on this.
I went for a walk in Glen Aros on Mull the other day and what I found, quite frankly was disgraceful.
I have included pictures which show,a large number of removed legs and various, post butchering carcass parts, which were not only left lying around, but many of them had been dumped in a pool in a burn leading into the main river.
Now many will say, was it not poachers ? I dont think so considering the fact that I followed an Argo track to get to where it was.
Someone has been out there shooting, and killed four or more beasts and left the remains in a situation that wouldn't meet the requirements of the level 1 questions re disposal.
I only hope that the person responsible for this is not portraying themselves as professional in any way.
However, they did at least have the decency to wear disposable gloves........they left them lying at the scene as well.
With people acting like this, we dont need anyone attacking our sport from the outside, we're doing well enough on our own.

 

[Cyres]

Unbelievable, surely somebody on the site knows who has the stalking on this ground.

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[unlacedgecko]

Leaving the disposable gloves at the scene is unforgivable. However, disposal of gralloch remains is at landowners discretion. In some areas the landowner may wish for the remains to be left in the open to encourage scavengers (foxes, badgers, eagles etc).

​What would your preferred method of gralloch disposal be?

 

[Heather Hugger]

This is a fairly common practice, although not right in any way, it is common.
I would say the worst part is the gloves being left and the proximity to a water bodie/course.

​I am not condoning it in any way, just saying that I have come across this on multiple estate.

 

[ELMER FUDD]

May be wrong, but if my memory is correct then I remember reading something about disposing of gralloch etc by way of burial except for remote areas such as the highlands.

 

[mereside]

I would have said the main fact is dumping directly into a water source, I dont bury my grallochs i leave for feeding of wildlife but i always move away from a source of water. I would not just pile everything up either if i shoot multiple animals and i always take away gloves and wipes that is just plain lazy.

 

[Naseby]

Leaving the disposable gloves is careless and lazy.

It looks to me as if the skull was picked clean so it may be animals that have dragged some of the remains into the water? Just a thought.

By the way if they had an Argo they could have distributed all on a more widespread basis.

I've seen a similar scene on one estate in England where there was one very large pit where all bones, gralloch etc were tipped; did not look good and I have never smelt anything quite so bad.

 

[Wingy]

Unfortunately many people have very low standards of professionalism of which they still struggle to achieve. Bloody bone idle.

 

[gixer1]

Leaving the disposable gloves at the scene is unforgivable. However, disposal of gralloch remains is at landowners discretion. In some areas the landowner may wish for the remains to be left in the open to encourage scavengers (foxes, badgers, eagles etc).

​What would your preferred method of gralloch disposal be?

+1, quite often I will leave them in an area where I will go back to watch for a fox later, but as stated this is up to the land owner/occupier.

I would say this needs to be considered with regard to the likelyhood of a member of public finding them.

Regards,

Gixer

 

[bogtrotter]

Common enough practice on lots of estates, more likely to be larder waste than where the beasts were shot, absolutely nothing in law says it needs to be buried, but it is an offence to pollute a water way,likewise to leave the gloves is serious bad practice. Dumping larder waste in strategic places can make ideal points in which to control foxes, but should be dsone where its unlikely to be seen by the general public, however that is much more difficult these days with the right to roam, you never know where the public might be. There will be few Highland estates which actually bury the waste most will either dump it as you have seen, not in a water course may I add, or use a dead pit of some sort.

 

[bewsher500]

why would you remove the head and feet up the hill or why would you drive back up the hill to dump them?

And what makes you think poachers don't use Argos!?

 

[NickJ]

No foxes on Mull so no excuse for a midden. However the island is now heaving with Sea Eagles so many would rather they feed on larder waste than lambs, given that - as said leaving the gloves and it near a path/in a watercourse was lazy. I'm glad a fellow stalker found it not a rambler.
I don't know who the stalker would be there but I'm sure the message will filter through.

 

[Cygnus]

I should have said that the pile of legs and feet on the bank were the ones that I removed from the burn,
a place that they should never have been near !!
I doubt it was done by animals unless the beavers have moved onto Mull and were building a dam !!!!

 

[JabaliHunter]

An absolute disgrace or am I expecting too much

Yes; and in my opinion, no...

 

[widu13]

Poachers? Thrown in the burn to hide/avoid being caught if they got spooked?

 

[pitiliedon]

as previously posted, most likely larder waste taken back to hill. useful to spotlight foxes over, they tend to carry it off, scatter and bury tasty morsels for later , also helps to feed a lot of stuff that might otherwise target lambs ect. We regularly leave out carcasses of piners to help feed eagles ect. Might have been smarter to avoid the water and pick up the rubbish but many natural mortalties end up in water courses anyway.
I think it's better to return this hunting waste to the hill otherwise you remove energy from the system. Next time you pass bones from an old sheep carcass on the hill take note of the colour and growth of the vegetation in the immediate vicinity . That lush growth is the carcasses nutrients returning to the soil. So if i could arrange for a sheep corpse every 15ft across the hill there would be a better bite for the deer and less sheep to stalk through sounds like win win to me.

 

[Heather Hugger]

as previously posted, most likely larder waste taken back to hill. useful to spotlight foxes over, they tend to carry it off, scatter and bury tasty morsels for later , also helps to feed a lot of stuff that might otherwise target lambs ect. We regularly leave out carcasses of piners to help feed eagles ect. Might have been smarter to avoid the water and pick up the rubbish but many natural mortalties end up in water courses anyway.
I think it's better to return this hunting waste to the hill otherwise you remove energy from the system. Next time you pass bones from an old sheep carcass on the hill take note of the colour and growth of the vegetation in the immediate vicinity . That lush growth is the carcasses nutrients returning to the soil. So if i could arrange for a sheep corpse every 15ft across the hill there would be a better bite for the deer and less sheep to stalk through sounds like win win to me.

​ha! good comment.

 

[marshall 22]

have been a full time stalker for 30 years and have never left grallochs in a water source as for liveing in the highlands i know that most house holds have there own water supplys fed by the water in question as for who did it the locals know who is was and more than likey he will read it as he is a member on this site would like to hear his reply as would sepa

 

[blunderbust]

have been a full time stalker for 30 years and have never left grallochs in a water source as for liveing in the highlands i know that most house holds have there own water supplys fed by the water in question as for who did it the locals know who is was and more than likey he will read it as he is a member on this site would like to hear his reply as would sepa

I agree with the comments made about this situation and think that leaving the gloves is a bit irresponsible, but I would not think that a stalker who is known to work this ground would intentionally put the gralloch in the water system. I believe by looking at the pics that the gralloch had been in the area for a while and was probably dragged into the area of the water by the scavengers.

I think that your statement implicating an other SD member is quite brash and hope that you have PM'd this guy and asked him if indeed he was responsible and gave him a chance to answer to your allegations before openly making this comment on the forum.

 

[marshall 22]

its not a statment but a fact