ATVs and Trailers

[bowji john]

Agricultural use

Allows road use for a max of 1500 meters from your farm or place of agricultural work

Designed to allow farm vehicles to access fields near by - rather than travel some distance to a permission

This is what i understand having looked into it for myself

 

[rodp]

Agricultural use

Allows road use for a max of 1500 meters from your farm or place of agricultural work

Designed to allow farm vehicles to access fields near by - rather than travel some distance to a permission

This is what i understand having looked into it for myself

That's what I thought, but it appears there's more than one agri definition. If you look on farming forums there's agri, limited use and something else. All have different restrictions, one at least has no mileage limit. I'm going PLG, that solves the problem, anywhere at any time.

 

[lambic]

So for PLG you have the road kit, MOT (after 3 years), car tax and insurance?

How much is the car tax for your typical quad?

Cheers

 

[VSS]

Agri reg will allow you to use it on the road for agricultural purposes. You could even use it to go to the bank, provided that you were paying in cheques to your farm business account! No limitations on mileage. Make sure you get the right insurance cover for this.
If you want to use it for things other than agriculture, forestry etc then it will have to be taxed as plg and have full road legal spec.

 

[rodp]

Agri reg will allow you to use it on the road for agricultural purposes. You could even use it to go to the bank, provided that you were paying in cheques to your farm business account! No limitations on mileage. Make sure you get the right insurance cover for this.
If you want to use it for things other than agriculture, forestry etc then it will have to be taxed as plg and have full road legal spec.

But if you check the DVLA website it does say for one class of agri there's a 1.5km limit, and different classes for different weight of vehicle (250kg maybe?) It's a minefield, and no one knows the correct answers, not even DVLA apparently.

From DVLA site.

This includes tractors, agricultural engines and light agricultural vehicles used off-road. It also includes ‘limited use’ vehicles used for short journeys (not more than 1.5 kilometres) on the public road between land that’s occupied by the same person.

 

[Pete6.5]

So does deer stalking count as agriculture or forestry?

 

[VSS]

So does deer stalking count as agriculture or forestry?

Either. But if you're a recreational stalker then it would be neither!

 

[rodp]

Either. But if you're a recreational stalker then it would be neither!

Ah, but again it's not clear. It's the vehicle apparently, not the user that's agri. So a recreational stalker (if stalking is actually agricultural) on a quad that is used solely for that purpose would be OK.

Again from DVLA
[h=2]Vehicles used just for agriculture, horticulture and forestry[/h]

 

[VSS]

Ah, but again it's not clear. It's the vehicle apparently, not the user that's agri. So a recreational stalker (if stalking is actually agricultural) on a quad that is used solely for that purpose would be OK.

Again from DVLA
[h=2]Vehicles used just for agriculture, horticulture and forestry[/h]

No, I don't think so, because a recreational stalker isn't doing it as part of his agricultural or forestry business.
The agri reg enables you to carry out activities in connection with your business only. So hobbies are not included. If it's not clear in the info from DVLA it'll be made clear enough in the insurance policy. Just been through all this with my new atv.

 

[geoffrey]

IHave been towing a Yamaha Grizzly 450 around for five years now no problem, last week driving in the snow four wheel drive and diff lock on.
I went slowly now a hill and could not stop the weight of the trailer and quad was pushing me I am not sure if a braked trailer would have been better but I was very lucky as I slid towards a dust cart the operators dropped there bins ran up and pushed agains the front of my landrover and it stopped.

 

[lambic]

No, I don't think so, because a recreational stalker isn't doing it as part of his agricultural or forestry business.
The agri reg enables you to carry out activities in connection with your business only. So hobbies are not included. If it's not clear in the info from DVLA it'll be made clear enough in the insurance policy. Just been through all this with my new atv.

You seems to the have the answers VSS

Just to further complicate things.....

If I retired from my current profession and decided in the future to do sub-contract professional stalking, could that be a valid reason to get agri registration?

Or even if I kept my current vocation and did the sub-contract professional as a low paying side line?

 

[countrryboy]

IHave been towing a Yamaha Grizzly 450 around for five years now no problem, last week driving in the snow four wheel drive and diff lock on.
I went slowly now a hill and could not stop the weight of the trailer and quad was pushing me I am not sure if a braked trailer would have been better but I was very lucky as I slid towards a dust cart the operators dropped there bins ran up and pushed agains the front of my landrover and it stopped.

To be fair that might have happened even without ur trailer on, depending on conditions.
A braked trailer may be more likely to jacknife in conditions like that??

While 4x4's are great for going up hills in snow/ice, its always the coming down they have real problems with.
Ur probably 2/3 times the wieght of a car and still just 4 tyres giving u grip (also big wide tyres not the best in snow) so u have 2/3 times the momentum.
Bottom line if u lose traction with a 4x4 on ice/snow on a hill there's not an awful lot u can do, just hold on and hope u can regain grip or hit something nice and soft.

I think u notice ur braked trailer more in summer conditions as ur probably driving at faster speeds esp on single track roads if u have to stop fairly quick, not that important with a big heaavy pick up but when towing with a wee van or jimny it does make a big difference when the brakes come on

 

[VSS]

You seems to the have the answers VSS

Just to further complicate things.....

If I retired from my current profession and decided in the future to do sub-contract professional stalking, could that be a valid reason to get agri registration?

Or even if I kept my current vocation and did the sub-contract professional as a low paying side line?

Not sure what your current profession is, but I do pest control / stalking on other people's land as a "low paying sideline" to my farm business, and my insurers (nfu) were happy to cover me for road use in connection with those activities, on an agri reg atv.

(Interestingly, the standard agricultural vehicle insurance policy specifies the maximum amount of ammunition that can be carried at any one time.
Also, it was made quite clear that if I were to stop at a shop to buy a snack on route I WOULDN'T be covered. If, however, I stopped at the shop to buy cartridges or animal feed, or to do business banking at the post office counter, then I would be covered)

 

[lambic]

Well, the chap at the Honda dealer said he can arrange the Agri registry for me and does not expect any issues.

VSS my profession has nothing to do with stalking / agriculture etc.

A bit of bunny bashing in exchange for free salmon fishing is probably a very tenuous reason for agri registry, but nevermind.

Obviously most of the usage will be on the hill but there are nil roads there anyway.

Fingers crossed it works....

 

[VSS]

Well, the chap at the Honda dealer said he can arrange the Agri registry for me and does not expect any issues.

VSS my profession has nothing to do with stalking / agriculture etc.

A bit of bunny bashing in exchange for free salmon fishing is probably a very tenuous reason for agri registry, but nevermind.

Obviously most of the usage will be on the hill but there are nil roads there anyway.

Fingers crossed it works....

I hope it works out OK.
Just to repeat what I said earlier, do make sure that your insurance company will cover you for any potential use on the road, even if it just consists of travelling from one piece of ground to another. That's the biggest stumbling block as far as I can see. If they won't then plg taxation is the only way, unfortunately.

 

[lambic]

Thanks VSS.

Just received a quote from Insurer (Longfields). They said the premium is the same from PLG or Agri. Makes no difference at all what it is registered as.

I have been offered the following policy:

* Comprehensive cover
* Any driver
* Quad value = 8k
* Use: Agriculture and Pleasure
* Excess = 100

Premium = 218

Not cheap, but pretty reasonable considering I do have some motoring offences in the dim and distant past.

 

[VSS]

Thanks VSS.

Just received a quote from Insurer (Longfields). They said the premium is the same from PLG or Agri. Makes no difference at all what it is registered as.

I have been offered the following policy:

* Comprehensive cover
* Any driver
* Quad value = 8k
* Use: Agriculture and Pleasure
* Excess = 100

Premium = 218

Not cheap, but pretty reasonable considering I do have some motoring offences in the dim and distant past.

I might have a look at Longfields myself, and see how they stack up against my existing cover with the nfu.
My atv is on the same policy as my tractor, so not sure what it works out at in standalone terms.

 

[rodp]

No, I don't think so, because a recreational stalker isn't doing it as part of his agricultural or forestry business.
The agri reg enables you to carry out activities in connection with your business only. So hobbies are not included. If it's not clear in the info from DVLA it'll be made clear enough in the insurance policy. Just been through all this with my new atv.

I don't think, from what I've read, that DVLA are bothered what the rider does as an occupation, they're just concerened with what the vehicle is doing .And obviously that's to do with road tax evasion . Insurance is an entirely different matter, and to be honest I left NFU because of hassle and over pricing on Defenders. I found on the Argo's that Adrian Flux Specialist dept was by far the best, but you have to be put through to their special vehicle dept.

 

[Cygnus]

Lambic
The Kingquad is manual.
Cheers

 

[lambic]

Thanks Alan
Going down Honda FM2 route, just sorting out spec with dealer. Also about to order the P7E trailer.
Thanks for all the assistance. Just need to sell some body organs now to pay for it all