Bankruptcy!

[Klenchblaize]

Yes rather than voting on a colour why don't we all do some proper research into what's really going on before you sign up to a colapse of the NHS and keeping taxes low for the financial services sector and people earning over 80K a year and charging students 4.5% on £100000 loans so they can educate themselves

That's exactly what I've done and why I'm voting for the only Party committed to keeping us in Europe and who impressed me greatly by the manner in which they conducted themselves in defeat at the last election.

And before anyone askes, at least those who voted “remain” did so with a clear understanding of the platform, whereas those who would see us walk hadn’t a f****** clue at the time of the ballot beyond some ramblings in the matter border control and sovereignty.

K

 

[Apthorpe]

All western health services face collapse on the present trajectory. Reform is essential. High tax on the financial services sector = less tax raised. Stupid idea. 80k is far too low an income to be attracting high tax. The student loans company operates at a loss. 4.5% is a very low rate to charge based on the effective default rate of students, the education of medical students is very heavily subsidised, and the doctors would have to pay the money back later in Labour's punitive extra tax band before long.

Get a grip. The costs and gross inefficiency of public services need to be brought into line with some sort of sanity. That is inescapable, even if you believe the opposite.

 

[Laurie]

Some already are under 'government' control.......................................

just happens to be the governments of Germany, France, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands.

Ooops, forgot that China (Hong Kong) will be part owning South West Trains from August.

Depends on what you mean by 'own'. The passenger railway is entirely franchised - all the franchisee owns is the right to run trains on a route for a specified period of time, usually 7 years, and at that to a timetable 90-odd % specified by the DofT with nearly every other production standard also closely government specified. The track, signalling, and other route based infrastructure are owned by Network Rail which is state owned. The rolling stock is owned by leasing companies owned by the banks, none of it by the train companies. As one who worked for a TOC (Train Operating Company) in the early post BR days, the joke was that all we owned was office equipment - desks, chairs, pens, pencils and PCs.

 

[tozzybum]

Having watched dad sat at home during the 3 day electric "raffle" due to strikes and the piles of stinking rubbish in the street liebour no thanks.Seeing the lovely note oops we spent it all when Millipede and his cretins got kicked out do we really want an American sized multi-trillion pound deficit ,were still paying the big debt they left last time .And no i dont want taxing to the hilt to keep these marxists in choclate hob nobs.
Dont care what others think of the tories,dim lemmons or liebour history shows liebour oversend like mad ,tories tidy up the mess get carried away n kicked out whilst the dim lemmons get the change /leftovers.
Time for Brexit backing and putting Corbyn back in the cupboard in case schoolkids want to see what a soviet sponsered 5th columnist looks like from their grandads day

 

[Cottis]

We voted on bringing in PR in 2011 and it was rejected by 67.9%.

I thought we voted between FPTP ad AV, neither of which are truly fair IMO. I don't want to vote for my second or third choice. I want to vote for the best person/party (if that exists) for me or the principles that I stand for. They are generally fairness, equality, opportunity for all and a charitable, not greedy approach to the general public. None of these things appear that high on the list of any party. None of this surprises me either.

I admit, no single voting system is 100% fair in terms of voting in a controlling party and then having them represented proportionately in parliament in a fair way but my point still stands. The current system is broken and favours almost guaranteed outcomes in many areas. It is beyond daft. Where I live, my vote is almost certainly bound not to count as such.

 

[kes]

Maybe its worth recalling who sold our gold for peanuts, at completely the wrong time.
Who invested in major Scottish road schemes to the detriment of the rest of the UK.
Who, when leaving office left a note saying "there's no money left".
Who is saying they will invest billions without limit and, despite the foregoing is largely unfunded ?

However nice it may be to think of our fellows and I often do, the only realistic option is to pay our way, be as reasonable as we can with everyone and have a social conscience to guide the direction into the future.

I know what all this means to me.
I watched a programme where the late Michael Foot responded to Churchills contempt for a cartoon run by the Mirror during the second world war and compared Churchills view to that of Hitler.

I think the best term to describe Foot, Corbyn et al is lunatic bolshevics.

Labour - you cannot be serious !!!

 

[timbrayford]

We voted on bringing in PR in 2011 and it was rejected by 67.9%.

PR could hand the balance of power to the Green party, not exactly shooting friendly are they?

 

[Chasey]

All western health services face collapse on the present trajectory. Reform is essential. High tax on the financial services sector = less tax raised. Stupid idea. 80k is far too low an income to be attracting high tax. The student loans company operates at a loss. 4.5% is a very low rate to charge based on the effective default rate of students, the education of medical students is very heavily subsidised, and the doctors would have to pay the money back later in Labour's punitive extra tax band before long.

Get a grip. The costs and gross inefficiency of public services need to be brought into line with some sort of sanity. That is inescapable, even if you believe the opposite.

Yes by me

I am currently supporting two medical students (My daughters) so they can work FOR NOTHING at Westminster hospital to get their training and last time I cheked it was costing my daughters about 15K a year and me another 15 each

Do you know she has to pay half her uni fees of about £5000 whilst she works for the NHS for FREE getting her placement experience????

If the student loan system is unable to recover funds, change the damed system to one that's more secured. IE have the parents guarantee it or take out insurance to cover it.

Its not bl@@dy rocket science

 

[Chasey]

Maybe its worth recalling who sold our gold for peanuts, at completely the wrong time.
Who invested in major Scottish road schemes to the detriment of the rest of the UK.
Who, when leaving office left a note saying "there's no money left".
Who is saying they will invest billions without limit and, despite the foregoing is largely unfunded ?

However nice it may be to think of our fellows and I often do, the only realistic option is to pay our way, be as reasonable as we can with everyone and have a social conscience to guide the direction into the future.

I know what all this means to me.
I watched a programme where the late Michael Foot responded to Churchills contempt for a cartoon run by the Mirror during the second world war and compared Churchills view to that of Hitler.

I think the best term to describe Foot, Corbyn et al is lunatic bolshevics.

Labour - you cannot be serious !!!

So please list the conservative plans you are in favour of that go towards solveing our current crisis?

The list of Labors plans is pretty clear I think, and no I am not in favour of all of them and no I don't think the money is there to achieve all of it but at least its a clear plan.

What exactly is the plan from May? Cos I do a LOT of reading about this stuff and I haven't got a clue. She waffels on with sound bites and cr#p like "strong and stable"???? WTF does that mean exactly

The worst thing about Brexit at the moment is people are so obsessed with it they cant see what this fecless rudderless idiot is doing. Her only policy at the moment is avoiding any policy decisions.

How can we trust somone who wont even enter into televised debate with somone like Corbyn whos hardly the most dynamic opposition shes going to face in the next few years.

 

[User00025]

I must admit, that as I probably have not too many years left Comrade Corbyn's promises do appeal to me. The only problem being that I couldn't vote for that IRA Terrorist supporting t..t if he gave me a Gold Pig.
The only real choice is Mother Theresa who if she plays it right can clinch a deal with Johnny foreigner and get us reasonably unscathed out of that Crap and useless organisation the other side of Dover.
Frau Merkel has France and everybody else surrendering already, without even invading them, we have probably totally knackered the Fourth Reich by Brexit.
So let's get on with it and show the scheming B.....s that we can make it GB again and stuff those whingeing sods who think we can't.

 

[User00025]

The Tories unpublished plans for a middle income tax hike promises plenty of these if you're on more than £40K:


Now who's laughing?

K

A chance would be a fine thing, more like £10k all up for me.

 

[finnbear270]

What value has a "Clear plan" if it's unachievable Chasey?

 

[scubadog]

That's exactly what I've done and why I'm voting for the only Party committed to keeping us in Europe and who impressed me greatly by the manner in which they conducted themselves in defeat at the last election.

And before anyone askes, at least those who voted “remain” did so with a clear understanding of the platform, whereas those who would see us walk hadn’t a f****** clue at the time of the ballot beyond some ramblings in the matter border control and sovereignty.

K

I argue as a remaianer that you do that have any understanding, let alone a clear one!

 

[JabaliHunter]

A hike in corporation tax from 19% to 26% would just about kill off the economy. After that you can put up income tax as much as you like - there won't be anyone earning enough to pay them.

 

[willie_gunn]

A hike in corporation tax from 19% to 26% would just about kill off the economy. After that you can put up income tax as much as you like - there won't be anyone earning enough to pay them.

Not to worry, though, Jezza's magic money tree will provide

When will he realise that without having businesses that generate revenue you can't have public spending . Tax has to come from somewhere!

 

[Moonraker68]

I have a waking nightmare of a Labour victory and the Brexit negotiating team being Jeremy Corbin, John Macdonald and Dianne Abbot.

 

[Druid]

It's not the people who are in power now, or those that will be soon that we should be upset with.
it is those long gone descision makers going back decades who racked up the countries debts and spending that now leaves us in the financial black hole.
They all looked at the present situations and vested interests rather than the future, as all politicians and civil servants do. sadly there is now nothing that we can do about the past.

 

[Apthorpe]

I have a waking nightmare of a Labour victory and the Brexit negotiating team being Jeremy Corbin, John Macdonald and Dianne Abbot.

So do they!!

 

[Apthorpe]

Yes by me

I am currently supporting two medical students (My daughters) so they can work FOR NOTHING at Westminster hospital to get their training and last time I cheked it was costing my daughters about 15K a year and me another 15 each

Do you know she has to pay half her uni fees of about £5000 whilst she works for the NHS for FREE getting her placement experience????

If the student loan system is unable to recover funds, change the damed system to one that's more secured. IE have the parents guarantee it or take out insurance to cover it.

Its not bl@@dy rocket science

No, it's not bl@@dy rocket science, but the cost of insurance would definitely be far more than 4%. Students get a flipping good deal on those loans that nobody else would match.
The large subsidy is paid by the taxpayer. You are paying the minor share - and as you'd have it, you'd prefer to have that money taken from you in tax than be free to spend it on your daughters. I think we both know who, you or the government, makes the wiser spending decisions for your money. You! So why vote to lose that choice?

 

[willie_gunn]

A few of Jeremy Corbyn's election team:


John McDonnell - Shadow Chancellor, educated at Great Yarmouth Grammar School, wrote that "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table." In 2006, when asked by the New Statesman who had the most significant influences in his thought, answered "The fundamental Marxist writers of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, basically"


Seamus Milne - Director of Communications and Strategy, educated at Winchester, once argued that the killing of Lee Rigby, “a British soldier who had taken part in multiple combat operations in Afghanistan . . . wasn’t terrorism in the normal sense of an indiscriminate attack on civilians”.


Andrew Fisher - Director of Policy, suspended by the Labour Party in 2015 for a tweet that said “FFS if you live in Croydon South, vote with dignity, vote @campaignbeard.” Campaignbeard was the Twitter handle of the Class War candidate, Jon Bigger.


Andrew Murray - educated at Worth, ex chair of the Stop the War coalition, left the Communist Party in December and joined the Labour Party to support Corbyn's election team.


Karie Murphy - Office Manager, and the proposed candidate at the center of the "Falkirk vote-rigging scandal"


The hard Left will use any means to get into power. Once there, expect their true policies to emerge.