Bankruptcy!
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Chasey
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Up until recently id have argued strongly against you saying its a fare system if we all pay X5 of what we rightfully earn bassed on our own hard work, intelegance and level of risk acceptance
But we are in such a bad place right now I can see no other option than more punative taxation on the top 5% as part of a package to recovery.
However it makes me sick to my stomach when big companies are playing fast and loose with tax yet the man in the street (reguardless of earning 100K or not) is always footing the bill.
Banks are recording record profits???
Surely they should repay every penny of our bailout + interest + fines for corrupt management until the debt is paid in full
I know they would laugh at such an idea and leave the UK immediately so this is a fantasy but what we can do is tax them the same way as its planned to do so in the EU rather than Mays plan of making the UK a tax haven for finance companies
Blue coller workers voted for Trump and then got screwed on healthcare whilst watching him introduce tax breaks for the top 1%?
Why are we voting for May on the same basis?
Chasey
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timbrayford
Well-Known Member
Increasing tax rates for the well off might be good news for those working in the public sector as these extra funds could secure their jobs and wage rises but what about those of us who work in the private sector?
Most of the work that I do is for these high earners and I am dependent on them having a disposable income to spend, public sector contracts are usually divided up in such a manner that only much larger concerns than my own can bid on them.
Whether it is income tax or N.I. rises, increases on Diesel fuel duty etc. why is it that the relatively low waged self-employed are expected to under pin the profligate spending of others, particularly those in the public sector?
Most of the work that I do is for these high earners and I am dependent on them having a disposable income to spend, public sector contracts are usually divided up in such a manner that only much larger concerns than my own can bid on them.
Whether it is income tax or N.I. rises, increases on Diesel fuel duty etc. why is it that the relatively low waged self-employed are expected to under pin the profligate spending of others, particularly those in the public sector?
Dorsettaff
Well-Known Member
Ahhh! The wonderful party "Manifesto"......
Lets just pull some figures out of the air....as we really don't know how much we will raise in extra tax or how much we will have to borrow to further drive this country into debt or into the debt of China, Uae or Saudi......promise the moon on a stick and Hey Presto we are the party for you!
Min wage £10...Sounds great but when all your other staff want differential and parity someone is going to have to pay for it!
Scrap tuition fees....Fantastic!! But where exactly are the high education establishments going to get their income from? Government? Oh...ok..lets borrow some more money then.
The NHS..our sacred cow....God Bless Her and all who are treated in her! It is an incredibly wasteful and inefficient system beholden to large corporations who suck money out of the system like there is no tomorrow..... Wake up and smell the reform......We cant afford a one stop care service for all unless we have 60-70% tax rates FOR ALL. NHS dentistry is a joke....it is driven by big corporations backed by private equity firms who don't give a fig about the nations dental health...just their balance sheets!
Defence......Let's scrap Trident and buy everyone a white flag or better a red one with a hammer and sickle on it.
Legalise cannabis......Great! Lets all get so stoned that we don't even notice society falling apart around us and our kids not being able to either afford or find a home!
What we need is a benevolent dictatorship....LKY seemed to do something right in Singapore!
Anyway......I'll vote Monster Raving Looney (again) and fetch me coat.......
Lets just pull some figures out of the air....as we really don't know how much we will raise in extra tax or how much we will have to borrow to further drive this country into debt or into the debt of China, Uae or Saudi......promise the moon on a stick and Hey Presto we are the party for you!
Min wage £10...Sounds great but when all your other staff want differential and parity someone is going to have to pay for it!
Scrap tuition fees....Fantastic!! But where exactly are the high education establishments going to get their income from? Government? Oh...ok..lets borrow some more money then.
The NHS..our sacred cow....God Bless Her and all who are treated in her! It is an incredibly wasteful and inefficient system beholden to large corporations who suck money out of the system like there is no tomorrow..... Wake up and smell the reform......We cant afford a one stop care service for all unless we have 60-70% tax rates FOR ALL. NHS dentistry is a joke....it is driven by big corporations backed by private equity firms who don't give a fig about the nations dental health...just their balance sheets!
Defence......Let's scrap Trident and buy everyone a white flag or better a red one with a hammer and sickle on it.
Legalise cannabis......Great! Lets all get so stoned that we don't even notice society falling apart around us and our kids not being able to either afford or find a home!
What we need is a benevolent dictatorship....LKY seemed to do something right in Singapore!
Anyway......I'll vote Monster Raving Looney (again) and fetch me coat.......
Ahhh! The wonderful party "Manifesto"......
Lets just pull some figures out of the air....as we really don't know how much we will raise in extra tax or how much we will have to borrow to further drive this country into debt or into the debt of China, Uae or Saudi......promise the moon on a stick and Hey Presto we are the party for you!
Min wage £10...Sounds great but when all your other staff want differential and parity someone is going to have to pay for it!
Scrap tuition fees....Fantastic!! But where exactly are the high education establishments going to get their income from? Government? Oh...ok..lets borrow some more money then.
The NHS..our sacred cow....God Bless Her and all who are treated in her! It is an incredibly wasteful and inefficient system beholden to large corporations who suck money out of the system like there is no tomorrow..... Wake up and smell the reform......We cant afford a one stop care service for all unless we have 60-70% tax rates FOR ALL. NHS dentistry is a joke....it is driven by big corporations backed by private equity firms who don't give a fig about the nations dental health...just their balance sheets!
Defence......Let's scrap Trident and buy everyone a white flag or better a red one with a hammer and sickle on it.
Legalise cannabis......Great! Lets all get so stoned that we don't even notice society falling apart around us and our kids not being able to either afford or find a home!
What we need is a benevolent dictatorship....LKY seemed to do something right in Singapore!
Anyway......I'll vote Monster Raving Looney (again) and fetch me coat.......
So you are voting for Jezzer then?
big ears
Well-Known Member
you are right but this came about by a previous Tory government by austerity measures causing thousands of Dentists to leave the NHS and go private only. This was not only due to unacceptable wage cuts but also by restrictions on what treatments they could provide leading to a reduction in dental hygiene in their professional opinion.
i have little doubt they are planning something similar for the Medical side. Look at how they shrug their shoulders after last summers events which caused this country to loose 70% of its trained young doctors because they felt that the plans were unsafe and there was a secretary for health who wouldn't listen.
however I may be wrong we will just have to wait until we see what the Tories are promising in their manifesto and the statements made in public interviews.
big ears
Well-Known Member
There is more choice than labour or TorySo you are voting for Jezzer then?
Chasey
I admire your daughters for going into the medical profession and wish them every success, but it's interesting to look at the full cost of training a doctor.
According to the BMA (https://www.bma.org.uk/-/media/Files/.../pressbriefing_cost_of_training_doctors.docx) the total investment rises from £269,527 for an F1 to £564,112 for a Consultant.
Of course the student pays tuition fees, accommodation and training costs but that is still a huge level of investment from the taxpayer. Bear in mind, too, that many of those same taxpayers you're very ready to penalise already pay for private healthcare, so perhaps aren't quite such a drain on the NHS as some might think.
Doctor's salaries range from £26,614 when starting to between £76,761 and £103,490 for Consultants. GP's pay varies between £56,525 to £85,298. Of course if they then go and do private work their salaries can be significantly more.
I have no problem with that. Doctors and other health care professionals do a fantastic job and deserve to be paid at a level that rewards their efforts.
What I do have a problem with is a National Health Service that now apparently has to provide every possible service to every possible individual all free at the point of use. We hear all the time about new drugs, treatments, etc that have to be added, but little about drugs or treatments being removed.
Labour has pledged to fund an additional £37bn into the NHS, as though throwing money at it is the answer. It is not. We have a growing and aging population, but no amount of funding can let us provide everything free. This year the NHS budget is £122.6bn - Heaven knows what the correct amount should be but increasing it simply "on principal" clearly isn't the answer.
The NHS wasn't designed to work like that, yet it seems impossible to have any rational discussions about what our health service should really be providing without claims of crisis and privatisation.
What I don't understand with this Marxist manifesto is where all the money will ever come from if we are not actually encouraging businesses and individuals to generate revenue in the first place?
I admire your daughters for going into the medical profession and wish them every success, but it's interesting to look at the full cost of training a doctor.
According to the BMA (https://www.bma.org.uk/-/media/Files/.../pressbriefing_cost_of_training_doctors.docx) the total investment rises from £269,527 for an F1 to £564,112 for a Consultant.
Of course the student pays tuition fees, accommodation and training costs but that is still a huge level of investment from the taxpayer. Bear in mind, too, that many of those same taxpayers you're very ready to penalise already pay for private healthcare, so perhaps aren't quite such a drain on the NHS as some might think.
Doctor's salaries range from £26,614 when starting to between £76,761 and £103,490 for Consultants. GP's pay varies between £56,525 to £85,298. Of course if they then go and do private work their salaries can be significantly more.
I have no problem with that. Doctors and other health care professionals do a fantastic job and deserve to be paid at a level that rewards their efforts.
What I do have a problem with is a National Health Service that now apparently has to provide every possible service to every possible individual all free at the point of use. We hear all the time about new drugs, treatments, etc that have to be added, but little about drugs or treatments being removed.
Labour has pledged to fund an additional £37bn into the NHS, as though throwing money at it is the answer. It is not. We have a growing and aging population, but no amount of funding can let us provide everything free. This year the NHS budget is £122.6bn - Heaven knows what the correct amount should be but increasing it simply "on principal" clearly isn't the answer.
The NHS wasn't designed to work like that, yet it seems impossible to have any rational discussions about what our health service should really be providing without claims of crisis and privatisation.
What I don't understand with this Marxist manifesto is where all the money will ever come from if we are not actually encouraging businesses and individuals to generate revenue in the first place?
big ears
Well-Known Member
To me it's about party ideals and policies not a fashion parade for leaders. I think the name calling of the Tories (mugwumpgate) does little to show them as nothing more than a party of playground politics. I believe in democracy and that is why I think that landslide victories are bad things.
Only if your a pinball wizard
flying felix
Well-Known Member
The first thing to remember is that all political parties are interested in is getting into power. They will do, say anything that will secure votes, not what is really needed to run the country.
This country is run by the media, it tells people what to think and more importantly what to get outraged about, why, because sensationalism and drama sells papers, not reality. The great unwashed believe in what they read (or I should say told) and the politicians will do all they can to get their sound bite in the press.
The truth is that the country could not afford the welfare state that was imposed in the 50s never mind the increased costing of today due an older population and generations of people who make a living out of government handouts.
Although draconian, I can’t understand why if someone makes a decisions to have sex, then unprotected sex, then not to have an abortion, then not to give the child up for adoption it’s the states responsibility to pay for those decisions.
People have to start taking responsibility for their decisions in life.
This country is run by the media, it tells people what to think and more importantly what to get outraged about, why, because sensationalism and drama sells papers, not reality. The great unwashed believe in what they read (or I should say told) and the politicians will do all they can to get their sound bite in the press.
The truth is that the country could not afford the welfare state that was imposed in the 50s never mind the increased costing of today due an older population and generations of people who make a living out of government handouts.
Although draconian, I can’t understand why if someone makes a decisions to have sex, then unprotected sex, then not to have an abortion, then not to give the child up for adoption it’s the states responsibility to pay for those decisions.
People have to start taking responsibility for their decisions in life.
Although draconian, I can’t understand why if someone makes a decisions to have sex, then unprotected sex, then not to have an abortion, then not to give the child up for adoption it’s the states responsibility to pay for those decisions.
People have to start taking responsibility for their decisions in life.
That is why most social housing is taken up.
At some point the worlds largest employer (NHS) will reach the point where demand is beyond the ability to supply, some would say we are already at or beyond that point.
A future government will, in my view, have to open the extremely unpopular pandoras box around limiting the scope of what the NHS does and defining how the services it no longer provides will be provided ie folk pay for minor/ non essentials themselves - treatments are self funded directly or on insured basis.
Personally I'd vote for the party that has the balls to raise that in a manifesto.
In the Peoples Republic of Scotland its gone a stage further into collapse with free prescriptions. The number of people getting paracetamol and cough sweets, who can well afford to put there hand in their pocket on prescription is disgusting. And of course its the wider UK taxpayer that is paying for that via the delightful Barnett formula........
'I went to school with a lassie called Pandora.
Never did get to see her box......'
A future government will, in my view, have to open the extremely unpopular pandoras box around limiting the scope of what the NHS does and defining how the services it no longer provides will be provided ie folk pay for minor/ non essentials themselves - treatments are self funded directly or on insured basis.
Personally I'd vote for the party that has the balls to raise that in a manifesto.
In the Peoples Republic of Scotland its gone a stage further into collapse with free prescriptions. The number of people getting paracetamol and cough sweets, who can well afford to put there hand in their pocket on prescription is disgusting. And of course its the wider UK taxpayer that is paying for that via the delightful Barnett formula........
'I went to school with a lassie called Pandora.
Never did get to see her box......'
JAYB
Super Moderator
I for one will be glad when this election is over, I am fed with it. I know who I am going to vote for and no amount of tub thumping will change my mind. What seems to be the first priority to me is our extraction from that leech known as the EU. Brexit must be negotiated in such a way that suits everybody, but us mostly. In order to that we have to have a Government that is as strong as it possibly can be at home, which to me means that everyone should get behind it, and accept what has already been decided in the referendum. All this bickering does is strengthen the hand of Europe and we do not want that.
All this Labour talk of pandering to Europe is sickening, we don't want to be in it so we are leaving, so lets do it in an efficient a way as possible. Brexit will not happen for two years, and Europe has suggested that various funding schemes to the UK may well be suspended, and then present us with a huge bill for leaving, but we mustn't feel as if we are being threatened, that'll be right.
Roll on next month
John
All this Labour talk of pandering to Europe is sickening, we don't want to be in it so we are leaving, so lets do it in an efficient a way as possible. Brexit will not happen for two years, and Europe has suggested that various funding schemes to the UK may well be suspended, and then present us with a huge bill for leaving, but we mustn't feel as if we are being threatened, that'll be right.
Roll on next month
John
I for one will be glad when this election is over, I am fed with it. I know who I am going to vote for and no amount of tub thumping will change my mind. What seems to be the first priority to me is our extraction from that leech known as the EU. Brexit must be negotiated in such a way that suits everybody, but us mostly. In order to that we have to have a Government that is as strong as it possibly can be at home, which to me means that everyone should get behind it, and accept what has already been decided in the referendum. All this bickering does is strengthen the hand of Europe and we do not want that.
All this Labour talk of pandering to Europe is sickening, we don't want to be in it so we are leaving, so lets do it in an efficient a way as possible. Brexit will not happen for two years, and Europe has suggested that various funding schemes to the UK may well be suspended, and then present us with a huge bill for leaving, but we mustn't feel as if we are being threatened, that'll be right.
Roll on next month
John
I can't see how the eu can threaten us with our own money John!
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