Bankruptcy!

[Apthorpe]

Clearly not that much!! It seems your grasp of literacy is on par with your grasp of numbers!! Stop being so myopic about your daughters future.

.....daughters'.....

 

[User00025]

No. That's a myth. I worked in a very large NHS Hospital as Supplies Liaison Officer in the last year of the "old" NHS and the first year of Thatcher's "new" Trust NHS with privatised this and privatised that.

The MRS problem was directly down to Thatcher's privatisation of in hospital cleaning services by the Conservative Government. I'll explain.

Before the cleaning services were privatised all the cleaning products, the mops, the brooms and the etc. were kept on the wards and accessible 24/7 to those on the wards. These things were, after all, bought and paid for by the NHS and thus anybody could access and use them at ANY time of the day, on Bank Holidays, on Christmas Day and etc..

Thus even though the actual cleaning staff might not be on duty or elsewise unavailable one of the Ward Clerks, one of the Nursing Auxiliaries, or usually one of the Porters could be asked to get the stuff out and clean any "spillages" or whatever needed. Usually the porters who would have one or two on duty 24/7 and did everything and anything when "needs must".

If not a hospital with a 24/7 portering service it would be tasked to one of the Nursing Auxiliaries of which there would be at least one on duty on each ward or unit 24/7.

After privatisation the cleaning products, the mops, the brooms and the etc. were taken off the wards as they were no longer bought and paid for by the NHS but by the privatised cleaning supplier were either taken off the wards or kept locked up and available ONLY to the staff of these new privatised cleaning suppliers

Usually SERCO in my time. So, as said, these items were kept under lock and key to which non SERCO staff had no access. After all the "owner" of these was now SERCO and SERCO was not going to allow the NHS (which hadn't paid for these things) to use them free as it were.

Thus if there were then a spillage it got left until the privatised cleaning supplier's cleaners were back on duty and, like everything else, as the more cleaning product got used the less profit SERCO made the cleaning product was used sparingly. As the staff of these privatised cleaners had to account for every last capful of cleaning product.

So the Matron myth is, I have to say, a story peddled by Conservative Health Ministers and their cronies to avoid truth about the real reason for the problem of MRS which is their privatisation of the in-hospital cleaning services.

All very well explained, but I go back a long way before Maggie and obviously you,yourself.
Believe me I spent quite a lot of time in hospital for treatment of injuries and the Matron role was not a myth,they ran the hospitals with a hard hand.
It was obvious to me that this was conducive to the lack of wound infection in my time. If I received the same wounds now, i think I would rather rely for cleanliness on a Field hospital with a good surgeon and nurses than trust today's regime.
As an interesting note,my tonsils were removed by our local Doctor,not in a hospital, and with no infection afterwards. Some say the bad old days,some say the good, how things have changed, but not necessarily for the better in the NHS.

 

[Chasey]

Clearly not that much!! It seems your grasp of literacy is on par with your grasp of numbers!! Stop being so myopic about your daughters future.

Yes I am Dyslexic but rather like having a prosthetic leg Dyslexia dosent alter IQ

As you probably know Einstine was dyslexic as was Churchill

 

[deeangeo]

All very well explained, but I go back a long way before Maggie and obviously you,yourself.
Believe me I spent quite a lot of time in hospital for treatment of injuries and the Matron role was not a myth,they ran the hospitals with a hard hand.
It was obvious to me that this was conducive to the lack of wound infection in my time. If I received the same wounds now, i think I would rather rely for cleanliness on a Field hospital with a good surgeon and nurses than trust today's regime.
As an interesting note,my tonsils were removed by our local Doctor,not in a hospital, and with no infection afterwards. Some say the bad old days,some say the good, how things have changed, but not necessarily for the better in the NHS.

Yup, this aligns with my thoughts exactly and trust me, my whole​ life has been associated with hospitals, both military and NHS.

 

[Chasey]

I don't understand why people keep mentioning trade deals, trade deals are not required, trade deals reduce a country's ability to be competitive.

Below is Patrick Minford one of the world's leading economist's trying to explain to parliament why we don't need trade deals:

I have watched many interviews with Patric Lindford and Jacob Rees Mogg (Of whom I am a big fan) both present fantastic argument for the leave campaign but bth leave me screeming at the screen fr somone to ask the big missing question.

Yes we are very competatative on things like hi tec and insurance markets but we are very uncompetitive in areas like low tec manufacturing.

My grave concern is our low to middle tec companies will be unable to compet outside the so call protection of the EU. I simply don't see any ray of suinshine for our food industry as if we remove protectionist tarreffs on food imports we wil be buying in vast amounts of imported goods which will damage our farmers.

Dispite my personal high reguard of JR Mogg I find it deeply concerning he touts things like the working hours directives, low energy light bulbs and restrictions on polluting pestacides as things we want to remove the restrictions on in order to lower our costs? I am not a big fan of bringing back TBTO and Permetherin for agro use (its a massive marine polutent and accidental spillage into water courses has caused catastrophic results) and whilst I do feel low energy bulbs need technical development, a retun to the old stile bulbs with the resultant increase in our carbon footprint is not the way to go either.

Lindford obviously coached May on her Stronger and Better argument because hes got a simila technique of repeating the same sound bite ad nausium in response to pointed questions.

I particularly like his turning the protection of the EU on its head and making it sound bad that theres price fixing that helps prevent massive undercutting of the market by countries whos overheads are so much lower than our own. With our high standards of living extremely high minimum wage an high standards of health and welfare I fail to see how we would not suffer outside the protection of the market.

Note in the video all balancing argument from Dr Stephen Warlock was edited out?

 

[Cumbrian 1]

There are winners and losers whether we stay or go, protectionism damages trade it makes products manufactured in the EU more expensive than those outside of the EU. Therefore if you want to trade outside of the EU you are at a distinct disadvantage.

Patrick is recognised as a leading expert and you are not, EU politics aside I still don't like the labour mentality of making those that work hard pay for those that do not. I work 24/7 and yes I am well off but I pay an awful lot of corporation tax, personal income tax not to mention the net contribution to the HMRC from VAT. People make poor career options, aren't motivated, have never worked etc but that is not my fault. The other annoyance is in addition to paying an awful lot of taxes I also have to pay for private medical insurance.

I'll be voting Tory as always.

 

[Chasey]

There are winners and losers whether we stay or go, protectionism damages trade it makes products manufactured in the EU more expensive than those outside of the EU. Therefore if you want to trade outside of the EU you are at a distinct disadvantage.

Patrick is recognised as a leading expert and you are not, EU politics aside I still don't like the labour mentality of making those that work hard pay for those that do not. I work 24/7 and yes I am well off but I pay an awful lot of corporation tax, personal income tax not to mention the net contribution to the HMRC from VAT. People make poor career options, aren't motivated, have never worked etc but that is not my fault. The other annoyance is in addition to paying an awful lot of taxes I also have to pay for private medical insurance.

I'll be voting Tory as always.

Yes and a typical looser as stated in the interview was car manufacturing which to me is a serious concern along with our other heavy plant and engine concerns. (JCB etc)

No I am not an expert just an interested observer trying to make sense of the available information

I take offense at the hard working bit. I know a lot of extremely hard working people who live on the edge of poverty with dignity rather than scrounge of the state

I also know some extremely well educated hard working people who don't earn a lot of money dispite huge personal investment in education

And I know people who earn 7 figure salleries for doing not a lot realy but knowing all the right people to get the job or having inherited the business or wealth.

You don't go to Eaton for the education, you go there for the networking.

I have voted Tory since Thatcher I did waver a bit under major as I wanted Michael Heseltine for PM and felt Major was a non enterty

But No one is guaranteed my unquestioning vote.

I always do the research and vote with my personal view of who would be right to run the country. It just happens to have been tory till now.

Now I am looking to protect the country from a landslide Conservitive result. May is a gormless, rudderless leader who lacks gravitas, just look at how she's treated in the EU, they have no respect for her.


The Conservitives will win but we need a balance of power in Parliament to ensure she doesnt steam roller through their policy









S

 

[User00025]

Yup, this aligns with my thoughts exactly and trust me, my whole​ life has been associated with hospitals, both military and NHS.

+1 That makes two of us.
As an afterthought, how about Jacob Rees-Mogg for PM that really would be good fun!!!!

 

[Cumbrian 1]

Yes and a typical looser as stated in the interview was car manufacturing which to me is a serious concern along with our other heavy plant and engine concerns. (JCB etc)

No I am not an expert just an interested observer trying to make sense of the available information

I take offense at the hard working bit. I know a lot of extremely hard working people who live on the edge of poverty with dignity rather than scrounge of the state

I also know some extremely well educated hard working people who don't earn a lot of money dispite huge personal investment in education

And I know people who earn 7 figure salleries for doing not a lot realy but knowing all the right people to get the job or having inherited the business or wealth.

You don't go to Eaton for the education, you go there for the networking.

I have voted Tory since Thatcher I did waver a bit under major as I wanted Michael Heseltine for PM and felt Major was a non enterty

But No one is guaranteed my unquestioning vote.

I always do the research and vote with my personal view of who would be right to run the country. It just happens to have been tory till now.

Now I am looking to protect the country from a landslide Conservitive result. May is a gormless, rudderless leader who lacks gravitas, just look at how she's treated in the EU, they have no respect for her.


The Conservitives will win but we need a balance of power in Parliament to ensure she doesnt steam roller through their policy









S

Many of the most successful business people of today have come from very humble backgrounds, I think class, upbringing, schooling etc is not as relevant in this day and age. I wouldn't worry about JCB Lord Bamford was a very vocal supporter of brexit I'm pretty sure that he thought it through beforehand, that is why he is a very rich man.

 

[big ears]

MRS didn't occur in hospitals. This because hospitals were run by Matriarchs who made sure they were good for patients and not by some overpaid CEO.

Yes it did it was just not screened for and reported. MRSA has been known about for at least 30 years. Also there has been a rise in multiresistant bacteria due to the overprescribing of antibiotics mainly in response to public pressure on GP's. As more patients are having bits of metal put in them it is much more relevant if one of these gets MRSA.
FYI 10% of children are and were damaged by measles, deafness being a huge problem along with chronic chest problem called bronchiectasis. Mumps similarly causes hearing loss but only about 1% of children. So not healthier.

 

[big ears]

Beri beri i believe is a tropical disease so didn't affect darkest Warwickshire.

Caused by a Vitamin B1 deficiency due to poor diet. Probably rife in the West Midlands!!!

 

[enfieldspares]

Lord Bamford was a very vocal supporter of brexit I'm pretty sure that he thought it through beforehand, that is why he is a very rich man

Like Dyson?

They support Brexit because they want to out source outside of the EU to pay cheap labour, no health and safety, no sick pay, no pensions and yet still sell the things here at the same prices. So they become even richer men.

Anyone who thinks that Lord Bamford or Dyson is or are supporting Brexit because "it's good for the ordinary Brit" with a mortgage, two kids at school and "just about managing" has an empty gap between their ears as big as the trenches cut by his diggers.

Look at Cadbury. Closed and outsourced to Poland as that as cheap as they can get but still be inside the EU trading zone. Listen up...these jobs gone to Poland are not coming back to UK after Brexit....in fact worse..

There will be an huge financial incentive to outsource what we've still got left in the UK outside the UK after Brexit as whilst the flight of jobs to the new Eastern European EU joiners may have been bad for some UK manufacturing but at least it kept some jobs here.

As moving to Eastern Europe was still a lesser incentive to outsource to vis-a-vis the jobs remaining in the UK than if we were able to outsource outside the EU. Once that need for goods to be "made in EU" goes they will go lock stack and barrel to the Far East.

 

[Cumbrian 1]

Like Dyson?

They support Brexit because they want to out source outside of the EU to pay cheap labour, no health and safety, no sick pay, no pensions and yet still sell the things here at the same prices. So they become even richer men.

Anyone who thinks that Lord Bamford or Dyson is or are supporting Brexit because "it's good for the ordinary Brit" with a mortgage, two kids at school and "just about managing" has an empty gap between their ears as big as the trenches cut by his diggers.

Look at Cadbury. Closed and outsourced to Poland as that as cheap as they can get but still be inside the EU trading zone. Listen up...these jobs gone to Poland are not coming back to UK after Brexit....in fact worse..

There will be an huge financial incentive to outsource what we've still got left in the UK outside the UK after Brexit.

The flight of jobs to the new Eastern European EU joiners may have been bad for some UK manufacturing but at least it kept some jobs here as Eastern Europe was lesser incentive to outsource vis-a-vis the jobs remaining in the UK than if we were outside the EU.

JCB exports are mainly non EU, if companies can make products cheaper abroad then who can blame them. What we need to is address the issues as to why companies would want to move production abroad, I think a lot of it is the high employment costs, H&S and employment laws. I can't imagine that people here in the UK will want to work for less so the knock on effect is production goes abroad or do you think Cadbury's should have been nationalised so the government could control the company?

I am willing to bet £1 JCB will not move production abroad.

 

[Chasey]

JCB exports are mainly non EU, if companies can make products cheaper abroad then who can blame them. What we need to is address the issues as to why companies would want to move production abroad, I think a lot of it is the high employment costs, H&S and employment laws. I can't imagine that people here in the UK will want to work for less so the knock on effect is production goes abroad or do you think Cadbury's should have been nationalised so the government could control the company?

I am willing to bet £1 JCB will not move production abroad.

Is that the same JCB with factories in Asia, Germany, Austrailia, India, North America and South America?

They already have large scale production abroard and can avoid export costs which will increase post Brexit by using say Germany to cover the EU countries

 

[Cumbrian 1]

Is that the same JCB with factories in Asia, Germany, Austrailia, India, North America and South America?

They already have large scale production abroard and can avoid export costs which will increase post Brexit by using say Germany to cover the EU countries

No I was meaning the existing UK infrastructure, JCB has had plants globally for many years it is after all a global business.

 

[enfieldspares]

Do you think Cadbury's should have been nationalised so the government could control the company?

No. That'd be daft. But the UK Dept. of Trade could have blocked the deal without a firm cast iron guarantee that the new owners wouldn't renege on the PROMISE they made to get the go ahead NOT TO CLOSE UK PLANTS.

Because, guess what, having got the go ahead they then did renege on the deal and close those plants. And who picks up the cost of those now redundant workers signing on the dole? Yes, you and I Mr and Mr Brit Taxpayer.

 

[Cumbrian 1]

No. That'd be daft. But the UK Dept. of Trade could have blocked the deal without a firm cast iron guarantee that the new owners wouldn't renege on the PROMISE they made to get the go ahead NOT TO CLOSE UK PLANTS.

Because, guess what, having got the go ahead they then did renege on the deal and close those plants. And who picks up the cost of those now redundant workers signing on the dole? Yes, you and I Mr and Mr Brit Taxpayer.

If the deal had been blocked and Cadbury's still moved production abroad then what? Lots of UK owned companies move production abroad for financial reasons the UK needs a solution to make them stay.

I am interested in what you would do to stop the flow of manufacturing out of the UK.

 

[willie_gunn]

Now I am looking to protect the country from a landslide Conservitive result. May is a gormless, rudderless leader who lacks gravitas, just look at how she's treated in the EU, they have no respect for her.

Crikey, if a lack of respect from the likes of Juncker and Tusk is how you judge someone then your moral compass is way out of kilter!

You have to bear in mind that respect within the EU has nothing to do with personalities. Any respect the UK had was due solely to the fact that we were the second largest net contributor to the budget. The UK has always been viewed as reluctant members of the European project, with the result that all our Prime Ministers, be it Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, whomever....none of them have been respected since Thatcher.

As to the other leaders, they may bow to Merkel because Germany currently pays the bills, but they also recognise that her migration policy that was enacted to build up the country's workforce sparked one of the largest crises ever to hit the EU. Once the UK's money disappears expect to see increasing reluctance on the part of Germany to subsidise the financial incompetence of other member states. Why else do you think the EU keeps hiking up the cost of the bill for leaving?

No-one respected Hollande, but Macron at least has the benefit of being new in order to prove his worth. An uproven leader whose rise to power has resulted solely from "not being Le Pen", his somewhat murky background may yet prove to be his downfall. Like Matteo Renzi, now consigned to the dustbin of history, Macron promises much but we have to see what can really deliver.

Beyond that, I doubt anyone here could name more than a handful of the leaders of the other 27 countries.

So please, let's not view "respect from the EU" as being in any way meaningful.

 

[User00025]

Yes it did it was just not screened for and reported. MRSA has been known about for at least 30 years. Also there has been a rise in multiresistant bacteria due to the overprescribing of antibiotics mainly in response to public pressure on GP's. As more patients are having bits of metal put in them it is much more relevant if one of these gets MRSA.
FYI 10% of children are and were damaged by measles, deafness being a huge problem along with chronic chest problem called bronchiectasis. Mumps similarly causes hearing loss but only about 1% of children. So not healthier.

30 years is relatively modern to me. Plenty of metal out of and into my body before that( under the old system) never had a problem. Anti biotics worked well then.
The diseases you highlight are what every kid got and got over, TB a lot didn't get over. That went but now it's back, I know why but you can tell me your version of why.

 

[User00025]

Caused by a Vitamin B1 deficiency due to poor diet. Probably rife in the West Midlands!!!

How very dare you!!! Warwickshire is not the West Midlands. I wonder why you should think it would be rife in that particular area and not in the far West.