Bankruptcy!

[jimmy milnes]

Same names same agenda
Having read through this thread I wonder what exactly these politician bashes would do to make life right ?
It's the easiest thing it the world to sit in your own little cyber world and slate folk doing a difficult job so how about you all take up the gauntlet and stand for local election so you can go some way to putting your ideas into reality and make our country GREAT BRITAIN again

 

[enfieldspares]

Don't be selfish on June 8th think about more than Brexit.

Yes. +1 to that here.

I'm sixty in November but I don't care about being that age. But I do care that the likelihood is that my twenty-five year old son is going probably to work until he is seventy or seventy-five (God forbid) until he gets to retire on the State Pension he'll be taxed to pay for.

So on 8 June...please...this ISN'T about Brexit.

The Tories may want to use that as a "stalking horse" to hide behind but be sure their real target is mega-austerity for the benefit of the mega-affluent.

If Theresa May really was interested in "workers' rights" then why have this Government done nothing about the wickedness of zero hours contracts.

That they still can exist and are allowed to be IMPOSED on employees is, whatever one's political leaning, a disgrace in this 21st Century.

 

[finnbear270]

Yes. +1 to that here.

I'm sixty in November but I don't care about being that age. But I do care that the likelihood is that my twenty-five year old son is going probably to work until he is seventy or seventy-five (God forbid) until he gets to retire on the State Pension he'll be taxed to pay for.

So on 8 June...please...this ISN'T about Brexit.

The Tories may want to use that as a "stalking horse" to hide behind but be sure their real target is mega-austerity for the benefit of the mega-affluent.

If Theresa May really was interested in "workers' rights" then why have this Government done nothing about the wickedness of zero hours contracts.

That they still can exist and are allowed to be IMPOSED on employees is, whatever one's political leaning, a disgrace in this 21st Century.

I'm on my way to 62, & I already reckon the pension goalposts will move before I get mine, It's a realist outlook, money ain't growing on trees, but it seems that's not a worry for scroungers.

 

[enfieldspares]

I've compared the two parties policies on immigration of family members from outside the EU. Presumably wives and etc..

The Labour idea makes more sense. No access to benefits. To which you have to sign an agree to.

The Tories say a minimum income. Well that's easy to jerrymander on a Self Assessment Tax Return for the short term goal of getting the family member into UK.

And then once they are in UK you then "discover" later that year or the year after (as tax is paid in arrears) you've made an error on your Tax Return and claim the overpaid tax back from HMRC.

But the wife is now, under the Tory scheme, in the UK and not benefits barred. Sometimes it beggars belief how naive our politicians are.

 

[scubadog]

There is nothing wrong with zero hour contracts.
Many choose to be on them as it gives then fleaxability.
Many small businesses cannot afford to offer guaranteed hours (small shops ect).
Furthermore, zero hours have been around for a very long time. They are not new. I have been employed under them around 20 years ago! An we have had plenty of labour governments during g that period!

 

[scubadog]

It's the cost of leaving that will cripple us and ruin are economy so that we won't be able to trade.

No it won't.
You have no evidence if that,and neither do it. Just speculation. So stick to the facts! You have NONE!

 

[flying felix]

Big Ears said (Quote not working)

...Stopping free lunches to infants so that the money can go to education. So the poorest members of our society who benefit from their children having a free meal loose this. On top of this the children loose out as in some cases this is the only good meal they get each day...."

Just out of a matter of interest, did you deliberately miss out the bit where they say that the poorest would still get free meals?

I refer back to my previous post about sensational quotes in order to cause outrage and sensationalism as opposed to the whole truth.

 

[JTO]

Most/all of the self-employed in the building trade are on zero hours arrangements, and always have been.

 

[sikadog]

Its ok to say there are children in poverty I am sorry I dont quite believe it.
How many houses still have toilets at the end of the garden.
When was the last time you saw a child with darned socks
When was the last time you saw a child with patches on his trousers.
When was the last time you saw a child with no shoes or going to school with shoes with newspaper pushed into the toes because they were 4 sizes too big.
Dont tell me about poverty I have been there.

 

[JockStalk]

'nuff said.

 

[willie_gunn]

Stopping free lunches to infants so that the money can go to education. So the poorest members of our society who benefit from their children having a free meal loose this. On top of this the children loose out as in some cases this is the only good meal they get each day. So penalising the most vulnerable and poor. Good Tory ideals upheld

If this is what you mean by "Good Tory ideals" then bring them on:

So under a new Conservative government, schools in England will offer a free school breakfast to every child in every year of primary school, while children from low-income families will continue to receive free school lunches throughout their years in primary and secondary education.

Which part of that do you actually object to?

I find it a little odd that many of the same people who were arguing a day or two ago for a "fairer society" and that "those who can afford it should pay a bit more" now present means testing as the invention of the Devil. Make your minds up - either you want income to be redistributed or you don't. You can't argue for it or against it as and when it suits you.

 

[hoodwink]

That's exactly what I've done and why I'm voting for the only Party committed to keeping us in Europe and who impressed me greatly by the manner in which they conducted themselves in defeat at the last election.

And before anyone askes, at least those who voted “remain” did so with a clear understanding of the platform, whereas those who would see us walk hadn’t a f****** clue at the time of the ballot beyond some ramblings in the matter border control and sovereignty.

K

Did you have a clue the direction the United States of Europe would take when voted for in the seventies? I didn't ,what makes you think you know where it will head now in or out.

 

[willie_gunn]

Did you have a clue the direction the United States of Europe would take when voted for in the seventies? I didn't ,what makes you think you know where it will head now in or out.

You're surely not suggesting that, when Tim Farron and Emmanuel Macron talk about the need to reform the EU to make it better represent the concerns of people, they might be stringing us along? They only have to point to all those meaningful reforms that have taken place in the EU to achieve just that in the course of the last 40 years.....ooh, hang on....

 

[Rasputin]

Its ok to say there are children in poverty I am sorry I dont quite believe it.
How many houses still have toilets at the end of the garden.
When was the last time you saw a child with darned socks
When was the last time you saw a child with patches on his trousers.
When was the last time you saw a child with no shoes or going to school with shoes with newspaper pushed into the toes because they were 4 sizes too big.
Dont tell me about poverty I have been there.

Everything is relative and because of the society we live in. If your child doesn't have the latest shoes/xbox/phone etc then they are apparently in poverty it would seem. Watched a programme on BBC about kids mining cobalt in Africa literally barefoot and naked yet they were grafting away because they had no choice until the charity took them to school and helped the father who was also grafting down a mine. Heart breaking to see really.

 

[sikadog]

Rasputin That is real poverty, not the supposed stuff we have here.

 

[User00025]

Rasputin That is real poverty, not the supposed stuff we have here.

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+1 on that my friend. Also on your previous, a thirty yard walk to a bucket thunderbox on a dark night,with the wind howling through the woods behind it. That would let them know about poverty. Doubt that they would make it though without accidents.

 

[big ears]

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+1 on that my friend. Also on your previous, a thirty yard walk to a bucket thunderbox on a dark night,with the wind howling through the woods behind it. That would let them know about poverty. Doubt that they would make it though without accidents.

Right on let's bring back rickets, TB, scurvy and beriberi. Those were the days. There were 150 of us living in shoe box in middle t'road........

 

[Chasey]

What utter crap....by leaving the EU we are actually able to cooperate with the rest of the world.

Whilst prisoned inside we were not allowed!

Strangley I order stuff from China & America all the time????? How can this be?

I can see you drank the cool aid, I am sorry but your in for one mother of a shock when sod all hapenes with the rest of the world in 2021.

If your lucky in 2030 we may have some significant trade deals as the average negotiation time is about 10 years.

And in you view we are going to get a better deel than we could have got inside the EU as part of the single largest economy in the world with a turn over of 16 trillion?

Sorry I don't think your drinking cool aid more like Special Brew

There is no argument as to wether or not we will suffer economicaly when we leave the EU, the only argument is how badly we will suffer and for how long.

 

[Chasey]

All PhD students I have met (and I meet plenty through my own education path) are funded by a sponsor.

Phds should not be funded by the tax payer!

My reference to poor life choice is the fact that your daughter is the first person I have ever met or heard about (out of thousands) of PhD students that I have worked with that works for free.....everyone else else gets sponsored, a salary and paid university fees. Hence why she must have made a poor choice somewhere!

As I said her sponsorship was from the EU that's now gone and the UK govt is not willing to bridge the gap for NHS training.

I don't know why your struggling to understand this

The structure of education in her field is:

a British Psychological Society (BPS) accredited degree in psychology leading to Graduate Basis for Chartered Membership (GBC) of the BPS (University)

work experience in the specialism you want to work in (Minimum two years work for NHS these positions are currently unpaid)

a BPS accredited postgraduate qualification relating to your chosen specialism (EU Grant or other sponsorship for PHD)


Psychologist

 

[willie_gunn]

If your lucky in 2030 we may have some significant trade deals as the average negotiation time is about 10 years.

And in you view we are going to get a better deel than we could have got inside the EU as part of the single largest economy in the world with a turn over of 16 trillion?.

Chasey

You seem to be partial to a swig of the Kook-Aid yourself.....

Where does your 10 year average come from? Care to cite any independent references for that number?

By being part of the EU we had access to over 50 trade agreements (not necessarily the same as a trade deal, since some are customs unions or have development aims as well). Roughly 17 more are in process. These trade deals do not cover countries like the US, China, Australia, India and much of Africa and Latin America - some of these are being negotiated, but many are not: http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2012/june/tradoc_149622.pdf

TTIP - the agreement that never happened - would have covered 45% of global GDP alone. Don't expect to see it come back to life any time soon. So, in its absence, how long would it take us to negotiate a UK-US trade deal? President Obama told us during the Brexit campaign that the UK would be at the back of the queue, but what does that actually mean? The TTIP negotiations between the EU and the US took 4 years before they failed, whereas the average length of time to negotiate a trade deal with the US is just 1.5 years - this from the World Economic Forum: With Brexit in mind, just how long do trade deals take to agree? | World Economic Forum.

President Obama.....where is he now?

Where you are correct is that negotiating trade deals with the EU take a long time. We saw this with CETA, the recent Canadian deal, that took 7 long years to negotiate. This is because any agreement with the EU has to involve not just the European Commission, which negotiates on behalf of the EU, but also the individual member states. Hence the fact that the Walloons could bring the Canadian deal to a halt....until they came under pressure from Brussels.

This same principal was confirmed in the EU courts just this week, meaning that the current trade negotiation between the EU and Singapore has to be agreed and ratified by each individual country: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/business/economy/europe-trade-singapore-ecj.html?_r=0

The reality is that being part of the EU makes it more difficult to negotiate trade deals, not less.

The UK is the fifth largest economy in the world. You may find that we can be far more nimble when it comes to international trade without the EU to hold us back.