Barnes ttsx

[Tulloch]

The interesting thing is that a friend of mine has been talking to a FC guy to get an idea about what he should buy as his first deer rifle and the advice he has been given is a .243. Reason given is that the FEO/Police are more inclined to grant this rather than a 6.5 or .308w. It’s just another example of the different interested parties not showing any sense of joined-up thinking. To my mind the FC, Police and other organisations like BASC/BDS/NGO should all be highlighting the potential issue of .243 when lead is eventually banned.

Very true and to think just a few years now when almost every rifle the FC had was .243 and considered the best all rounder before changing to .270's because of bullet laws etc

 

[paulbshooting]

Is anyone using vhit N140 with their Barnes, I have a tub and was going to load some 130gr for the .308, it's on the vhit website as OK but not on the Barnes data?

Yes I am, 46 grains for me in R8, 130 gr TTSX to SAMMI OAL, for my 308

 

[Terrydeer]

Yes we use n140 with the 130g TTSX for my sons rifle... works really well. Can check load data and velocity later if you want

It would be interesting to know what load you are working with and what barrel you have as I have thought about experimenting with these going forward, thank you for any information

 

[Selous]

It would be interesting to know what load you are working with and what barrel you have as I have thought about experimenting with these going forward, thank you for any information

Barrel is 20 inch long and i used Norma cases and CCI 200 LR primers. I did a Satterlee test that gave the following velocities with N140 measured with a Labradar chrono

46.9 - 2952
47.1 - 2958
47.3 - 2991
47.5 - 3008
47.7 - 3032
47.9 - 3039
48.1 - 3031
48.3 - 3062
48.5 - 3062
48.7- 3098

There is a velocity flat spot around 47.7 and is shoots very small groups. I also tried N135 and got slightly higher velocities with 3125 at 46.7g which was the highest charge I tried. Again there was a node around 45.8 (3055fps)

Please note these were safe in MY rifle but may not be in yours. Work up loads carefully

 

[Terrydeer]

Thank you for these stats, my barrel is a 20” tikka CTR so I may have a go with the N140 later in the year, safe hunting

 

[Sagebrush]

...this law was brought in in California because animals were being shot and left and vultures were dying from the lead not a done practice in the UK,....

It was actually Condors, not vultures and "animals were being shot and left" was a fabrication of the anti-hunting/anti-gun organizations. This is not a practice in the US. Just as California banned several pesticides for causing Condors to have nonviable, thin shelled eggs based on supposition rather than science. After all the study was done "they" didn't want to be bothered with the actual results; Condors had a virus not pesticide poisoning. But our politicians don't let facts get in the way of the anti-gun agenda.

 

[User00014]

Ibwas speaking to a Forestry Ranger from up here the other day whonhas been testing them and in general there is a lot of concerns .

I am still testing I want to see whatbthey are like on reds, a few guys have told me the amount of runners has increased dramtically which is a worry in thick forestry.

Been using them on red deer for over 10 years, never had one complain yet.

 

[Rutland lad]

Been using them on red deer for over 10 years, never had one complain yet.

I agree totally - I read about these 'problems' and wonder if there was a blind test, where the shooter didn't know if it was lead or copper they were about to shoot at a deer, would they walk up the dead animal and think 'that's exactly what I expected to see'
I can't help but think people are looking to inflate issues that really and truly don't exist. Or if they do exist, perhaps not to the level that people make out.
The trouble is all these alleged 'issues' are looked at subjectively and not objectively and nobody seems to have done a proper scientific study to prove or disprove them.
I've been on Barnes TSX for a number of years in my .300 Winmag and all I can say is they're superbly accurate and knock all deer down very effectively.

 

[User00014]

I agree totally - I read about these 'problems' and wonder if there was a blind test, where the shooter didn't know if it was lead or copper they were about to shoot at a deer, would they walk up the dead animal and think 'that's exactly what I expected to see'
I can't help but think people are looking to inflate issues that really and truly don't exist. Or if they do exist, perhaps not to the level that people make out.
The trouble is all these alleged 'issues' are looked at subjectively and not objectively and nobody seems to have done a proper scientific study to prove or disprove them.
I've been on Barnes TSX for a number of years in my .300 Winmag and all I can say is they're superbly accurate and knock all deer down very effectively.

I couldn’t agree more!

Personally I think people are looking for excuses not to use non toxic bullets.

Barnes, fox and the norma naturalis all do the Same thing and that’s kill cleanly and efficiently!

 

[mereside]

I agree totally - I read about these 'problems' and wonder if there was a blind test, where the shooter didn't know if it was lead or copper they were about to shoot at a deer, would they walk up the dead animal and think 'that's exactly what I expected to see'
I can't help but think people are looking to inflate issues that really and truly don't exist. Or if they do exist, perhaps not to the level that people make out.
The trouble is all these alleged 'issues' are looked at subjectively and not objectively and nobody seems to have done a proper scientific study to prove or disprove them.
I've been on Barnes TSX for a number of years in my .300 Winmag and all I can say is they're superbly accurate and knock all deer down very effectively.

I think the biggest factor is people using either like for like bullet weight or even upping size with no or little expansion, we have done lots of seminars showing us shooting a roe deer with all manner of bullets including lead free, using the right weight in non toxic and also showing a bullet of the same weight all shot from a 270 also using a sheet to show how the bullet performs with exits, many people are surprised at how you can get lead free to work the same as lead but how wrong you can make it, in previous comments I cant for the life of me think how shooting a roe deer works when a red will run on, surely you will get more expansion on a heavy red deer as opposed to a light bodied roe, people need to actually do some testing before shooting live animals because you can get the desired results if you do a little home work.

 

[NP435]

It was actually Condors, not vultures and "animals were being shot and left" was a fabrication of the anti-hunting/anti-gun organizations. This is not a practice in the US. Just as California banned several pesticides for causing Condors to have nonviable, thin shelled eggs based on supposition rather than science. After all the study was done "they" didn't want to be bothered with the actual results; Condors had a virus not pesticide poisoning. But our politicians don't let facts get in the way of the anti-gun agenda.

Quite correct, the anti hunter's/ politicians never allow truth and science to forge policy.