BASC Council - changing the tone

[Cumbrian 1]

I have worked for people who were born into landed gentry,[still do] and were schooled at Eton, millionaires all of them by the time they were pulled off the matrons tit. most have no fecking idea what any ones life is like other than their own, but some, a few, really do want to know, and I have the privilege of being a friend to some of those few, and were I not to have met one of those people some four decades ago my future such as it was looked pretty bleak, and we learned from each other and both became better people, It ain't just about breeding,Eton education, and being successful in business, you have to really want to know of those outside the secular "toffs" elite world, only then can you know "the real world" outside of your own protected "bubble".
not all care that much, our current politicos and many of those that came before them, gen pop are just pawns in a game, who frustratingly think that they know whats best for themselves.

much the same problems exist with basc, the members for the most part know of the problems and in some cases the required action, however the "upper echelons" know best eh?
and here we are,
no feckin' brexit, and the end of shooting and privately held guns drawing ever closer.

I think you missed my point it shouldn’t matter about class/race etc. However the reality is that when you watch a “toff” on Good Morning Britain or some other puke inducting chat show the public school persona does not come across well because rightly or wrongly it grates on joe public’s nerves

A bell end is a bell end whether rich or poor.

 

[Cumbrian 1]

I do my own plumbing and carpentry and farm and conservation work - and you also might be a complete bell-end, since rubbing BASC the wrong way is what I have been doing literally for years - reading previous posts might give an insight into the history.
I accept your obvious prejudice about people who are qualified and maybe not practical, or 'down to earth' - or were even involved in shooting since an early age but you don't mention that.
If managing some 150 staff and successfully delivering an annual budget of some £150 - £200 million does not qualify me to get a message across clearly and concisely then maybe washers, olives and taps are a better bet.
Finally thanks for the 'good luck' but what will matter is votes - are you in BASC and willing to vote for a non-plumber?
Bear in mind it may not be me but it will be for what might be termed change from 'rubbing the wrong way'.
Toff I am not however I would class myself as a gentleman so don't get the two confused.
I wonder what criteria you used in previous voting to avoid the current impasse ?

I think you missed my point I was talking about the members and the public not BASC staff it is those people who you have to get on side.

Plumber was an example but anyone that can reach out to a much wider audience and be well received is what BASC needs.

As to the career stuff I’m not sure of the relevance or was I supposed to be impressed.

I will vote in the next BASC elections but whether it is for you is the question your certainly veering into the bell end category at the moment.

 

[finnbear270]

How did we get here?

 

[Cumbrian 1]

How did we get here?

Good honest debating.

 

[finnbear270]

Not sure the terminology qualifies as "Debate".

 

[reloader54]

I think you missed my point it shouldn’t matter about class/race etc. However the reality is that when you watch a “toff” on Good Morning Britain or some other puke inducting chat show the public school persona does not come across well because rightly or wrongly it grates on joe public’s nerves

A bell end is a bell end whether rich or poor.

I don't think I missed the point at all, I think my post showed that. incidentally I never mentioned "race" you did that.
I do however think if you're [not you personally] perception of reality is based on what you see and hear on [to use your words] "Good Morning Britain or some other puke inducting chat show" then you have a long ways to go before you have the foggiest notion of "reality", but probably closer to the "bell-end" category.

 

[Cumbrian 1]

I don't think I missed the point at all, I think my post showed that. incidentally I never mentioned "race" you did that.
I do however think if you're [not you personally] perception of reality is based on what you see and hear on [to use your words] "Good Morning Britain or some other puke inducting chat show" then you have a long ways to go before you have the foggiest notion of "reality", but probably closer to the "bell-end" category.

You’ve done it again. The people who have gone on to mainstream media as our “representatives” are often perceived as toffs, it shouldn’t really matter about a persons background but the reality is that the public school persona rubs a lot of people up the wrong way, in fieldsports we need people to represent us who can appeal to the widest audience.

 

[reloader54]

You’ve done it again. The people who have gone on to mainstream media as our “representatives” are often perceived as toffs, it shouldn’t really matter about a persons background but the reality is that the public school persona rubs a lot of people up the wrong way, in fieldsports we need people to represent us who can appeal to the widest audience.

what a load of bollox, charlie jacoby a toff! ian botham, vinnie jones,
I recall the fox hunters trying to convince people who watch mainstream media, they were not just land owning toffs, but plumbers, and factory workers, etc, how'd that workout then?

what's needed is for gen pop to stop being brainwashed by msm and lunatic pressure groups and have the fecking inclination to get out there and seek the truth, but that won't happen with their heads stuck into the latest smartphone, "Im a useless feckwit has been, get me outta here"or watching "puke inducing chat shows.
as long as this is perpetuated reality is nothing these idiots can grasp, only what they are told reality is.
the time for empty words has passed, it's time for action, severe action, If they could just wait until after strictly,,

the parallels between government and basc are astounding, if you think about it for more than a second, both have a large following, but seem to be at a great distance away from the members.
both make promises, but fail to deliver them.
and when the enemy has been identified they appear to "welcome" them with open arms and collude with them to implement what suits their agendas more than the members.
I'm sure a few more scenarios could be quoted but who really cares eh.
I mean,, it's just the internet,,, not real life.

 

[Cumbrian 1]

what a load of bollox, charlie jacoby a toff! ian botham, vinnie jones,
I recall the fox hunters trying to convince people who watch mainstream media, they were not just land owning toffs, but plumbers, and factory workers, etc, how'd that workout then?

what's needed is for gen pop to stop being brainwashed by msm and lunatic pressure groups and have the fecking inclination to get out there and seek the truth, but that won't happen with their heads stuck into the latest smartphone, "Im a useless feckwit has been, get me outta here"or watching "puke inducing chat shows.
as long as this is perpetuated reality is nothing these idiots can grasp, only what they are told reality is.
the time for empty words has passed, it's time for action, severe action, If they could just wait until after strictly,,

the parallels between government and basc are astounding, if you think about it for more than a second, both have a large following, but seem to be at a great distance away from the members.
both make promises, but fail to deliver them.
and when the enemy has been identified they appear to "welcome" them with open arms and collude with them to implement what suits their agendas more than the members.
I'm sure a few more scenarios could be quoted but who really cares eh.
I mean,, it's just the internet,,, not real life.

Charlie Jacoby is no toff but he is well spoken and articulate, as to Ian Botham and Vinnie Jones !

You make some valid points especially social media, I wholeheartedly agree that there is a generation who live vicariously through their phones and believe wholesale anything on the web.

As to the BASC/Government similarity you are not far off the mark, but the debate is who and by logical conclusion what sort of person do you want to represent you and to a further extent shooting sports to the general public. I still maintain that a person who is perceived as being "more down to earth" will have a wider audience reach, not someone pretending to be something they are not as people will generally see through the ruse.

 

[CarlW]

Builder or Baronet, charming or abrasive, I truly do not care. I just want the fella to get BASC fighting the bad guys. The current strategy of limp-wristed appeasement does not work. In my view, @kes - if he is allowed to stand - would be a fantastic shovel of grit in BASC Council's oyster. And I say that loyally: despite their underperformance, making BASC work is our best strategy.

Best,

Carl

 

[reloader54]

Charlie Jacoby is no toff but he is well spoken and articulate, as to Ian Botham and Vinnie Jones !

You make some valid points especially social media, I wholeheartedly agree that there is a generation who live vicariously through their phones and believe wholesale anything on the web.

As to the BASC/Government similarity you are not far of the mark, but the debate is who and by logical conclusion what sort of person do you want to represent you and to a further extent shooting sports to the general public. I still maintain that a person who is perceived as being "more down to earth" will have a wider audience reach, not someone pretending to be something they are not as people will generally see through the ruse.

and to think people were advocating jeremy clarkson as a potential spokesperson just the other day, well spoken [as well as outspoken] funny but factual in a lot of cases, but a bit marmite in terms of popularity.
But I understand what you mean.
My point is as I'm sure you realised by now, Is, regardless of the integrity,class, and down to earth persona , to you and I perhaps as hunters/gun owners, those the factual dialog is aimed at must want to seek truth for themselves, unfortunately it seems in many cases they are content to believe nonsense and skewed information, presented by the latest media luvvie. or worse allow political views and child like sentiment to cloud their judgement.
as with all things there will be approvers and opposers, and not necessarily in equal numbers based of factual evidence.

 

[reloader54]

Builder or Baronet, charming or abrasive, I truly do not care. I just want the fella to get BASC fighting the bad guys. The current strategy of limp-wristed appeasement does not work. In my view, @kes - if he is allowed to stand - would be a fantastic shovel of grit in BASC Council's oyster. And I say that loyally: despite their underperformance, making BASC work is our best strategy.

Best,

Carl

but who to fight first,, the enemy within, or outside the org.?

 

[CarlW]

but who to fight first,, the enemy within, or outside the org.?

I don't think there are enemies within BASC: just a bunch of people who are too polite, deferential, and grateful for any kind word from non-shooters. If we get one or two more belligerant voices in the place, we'll see some change.

Or, of we don't, I ain't got a better plan...

 

[Selous]

I will happily support Kes

 

[kes]

As to the career stuff I’m not sure of the relevance or was I supposed to be impressed.

I will vote in the next BASC elections but whether it is for you is the question your certainly veering into the bell end category at the moment.

This is a debating comment ?
It sounds rather like an opinion. Why should I try to impress you - you have already made up your mind - as your 'opinion' suggests.
Your choice of expletives reflects as much a lack of understanding as does your knowledge of how to make change happen in a large organisation, or you would have seen the true intention and perhaps value of my comment. To be perfectly frank, without being rude, you support who you like and take your chance on change because it hasn't happened so far, maybe you never voted before ?
Maybe you should stand and use your winning supportive, motivating skills to encourage change?

 

[User00025]

How did we get here?

Via Cumbria ( Workingtonman).

 

[finnbear270]

Via Cumbria ( Workingtonman).

There really is no hope.

 

[Basil H]

Kes, with respect, you are not getting nearer to a seat on Council by having petty disagreements on here.
I suggest that tomorrow morning you get on the phone or online and join BASC.
Having done that call Louise Murray at Marford Mill for a nomination pack or request one online.
Get your application in with a proposer and seconder. Deadline is January 31st.
Start campaigning for the thousand plus votes you will need.

 

[Cumbrian 1]

As to the career stuff I’m not sure of the relevance or was I supposed to be impressed.

I will vote in the next BASC elections but whether it is for you is the question your certainly veering into the bell end category at the moment.

This is a debating comment ?
It sounds rather like an opinion. Why should I try to impress you - you have already made up your mind - as your 'opinion' suggests.
Your choice of expletives reflects as much a lack of understanding as does your knowledge of how to make change happen in a large organisation, or you would have seen the true intention and perhaps value of my comment. To be perfectly frank, without being rude, you support who you like and take your chance on change because it hasn't happened so far, maybe you never voted before ?
Maybe you should stand and use your winning supportive, motivating skills to encourage change?

How about a CV including your shooting experience as well as previous jobs but more importantly some sort of manifesto I’ve no idea of what it is that you want to achieve simply joining to make the council feel uncomfortable isn’t really good enough.

for example your views on trophy hunting, bird of prey control etc you say I’ve made up my find but I have no idea what it is that you stand for.

 

[kes]

Now that is reasonable and you might have noted that I agreed to do this if I am able to stand (yet to be confirmed) so once I am told (see previous posts) that my membership would be accepted and I would not be booted under condition 3 (h) i think it is of the BASC constitution (their website), I will publish all the details I would expect to know to decide whether someone is worthy of my vote.
The question you pose has been asked quite reasonably (ish) before with the same reply.
One thing I can tell you since its on all my posts is that I would expect to be given a copy of the legal advice BASC received which advised them to go down the political route over medicals being asked for outside HO Guidance as it was.