A good friend of a landowner especially if you have known them for years before asking for something will always be in with a chance of getting the stalking. Rather than a random letter or door knocker or some list given by a third party.
BASC launches register of competent deer stalkers
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Yes there will always be some level of that until money or legislation intervenes.
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Some of this “stalking “ or available stalkers will be utilised by institutional concerns and trusts who will look to this register for a slimmed down parade of stalkers saving them time and getting the people they see as the ones they want in very quickly, that has been like that for years amongst this or these type of landowners, all they care about is cost and compliance, hopefully this could open up stalking for normal compliant stalkers if your paperwork is in order
it “could be“better for the smaller group of individual stalkers in a combined effort, it’s been known and done before
it “could be“better for the smaller group of individual stalkers in a combined effort, it’s been known and done before
devon deer stalker
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Absolutely, there are some on this thread that appear to be very naive.
Its a bit difficult to tell at this point. For sure many won’t benefit if they haven’t got what is being sort by the end customer. I’m not sure it will suddenly open up opportunities even for those that do have all the desirable factors, but whats to loose by signing up?
Landowners and stalkers can be so wildly disconnected so, yes, I suspect many would find a list useful. Picture this; landowner has a deer problem, asks agent, forester, insurer, lawyer, etc, if they know any stalkers. Probably not, so they Google “deer stalking” and probably, at the same time, Google “deer stalking qualifications” because, of course, they can only suggest to said landowner someone who’s competent or they will be in the s**t. So, having consulted Google, they now know DSC2 is the thing to ask their would be stalker for, box ticked. Then they ask Google “list of deer stalkers with DSC2” and sure enough, as of right now, this thread appears second in the search list. Connection made! Agent, etc, calls BASC, connection to stalker made through a reputable organisation, agent, etc, recommends stalker, landowner is happy, agent has done job in half an hour of Googling, agent is happy, everyone wins. Except Joe from down the road, of course, who’s shot 10,000 deer in the past 100 days but doesn’t ‘need’ any qualifications to prove it. He just carries on with his life. So who’s naive? The stalker who’s got some new permission through being on the list, or Joe?Just what landowners need a list of possible deer stalkers because they find it so hard to find one now. Anyone who thinks getting on this list is going to help them get stalking is being a bit naive.
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And hopes to out run the tide of change that has come about through social medial, the internet and self preservation of reputation.
You really think a land agent hasn't got people in mind. He knows who he's recommending before the farmer calls.
devon deer stalker
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It's the stalker who 'thinks' he is going to get some new stalking through being on a 'list'
Some might, others won’t. All of them will want their stalkers to have qualifications
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Not all
I would hazard a guess that Joe down the road has enough stalking and would be happy for someone else to have it.
Basc has a working relationship with Forestry Commission. FC are administering woodland grants, under elms and sfi and other defra schemes. FC are the only deer managers the Gov.uk recognises. FC rangers struggle with FC land and will not want 5x land in little pockets.
But to be eligible for grants the ongoing tree protection from wildlife is mandator, ignore that and monies will likely not be forthcoming or even clawed back.
Stands to reason this will produce a lot of opportunities going forward for tomorrow’s deer managers/stalkers.
But to be eligible for grants the ongoing tree protection from wildlife is mandator, ignore that and monies will likely not be forthcoming or even clawed back.
Stands to reason this will produce a lot of opportunities going forward for tomorrow’s deer managers/stalkers.
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naive is correct i know people who have been on the fit and competent register (Scotland)for years and years with more qualifications than needed and have never had even an offer. Remember that is in a country that has more deer than the land can cope with. FLS who lash out almost 20,000,000 (public money) on killing deer did not look to the register they interview individuals. This is a scam to entice weak willed novice stalkers on to a list to keep membership up. Carrot / Donkey
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I got about 4 pages in but it’s quite sad the amount of bickering .
Guy A has all the paperwork and feels it’s a must for a) b) & c).
Guy B has been stalking for years and doesn’t see the need.
I think it just comes down to what you want to do. -Lease FC land and you’ll need the paperwork. -Have a mate who’s a farmer, give a bottle of whiskey. But no real need to knock one another for the same ‘hobby’.
What slightly annoys me is that there’s various different deer stalking courses now which is slightly unhelpful. I don’t think these courses rule you out as a stalker but they should,(in theory) help with ruling in. I think most farmers care that you just have insurance - and that can be for shooting crows or anything.
I may do my DSC’s in the future. But not knocking anyone who has or hasn’t got them.
Guy A has all the paperwork and feels it’s a must for a) b) & c).
Guy B has been stalking for years and doesn’t see the need.
I think it just comes down to what you want to do. -Lease FC land and you’ll need the paperwork. -Have a mate who’s a farmer, give a bottle of whiskey. But no real need to knock one another for the same ‘hobby’.
What slightly annoys me is that there’s various different deer stalking courses now which is slightly unhelpful. I don’t think these courses rule you out as a stalker but they should,(in theory) help with ruling in. I think most farmers care that you just have insurance - and that can be for shooting crows or anything.
I may do my DSC’s in the future. But not knocking anyone who has or hasn’t got them.
Ok, true, but I suspect the majority would.
As I said in an earlier post, there is more than one way to get stalking. Everyone seems to think you have to go door knockin, or drink a lot of beer at the local pub. Another option is to target the agents and other service providers to landowners, with all the credentials they need. It’s a much more efficient use of time IMO as those people often look after land for 3, 4, 5, etc, landowners, each with 000’s of acres across loads of farms. And they’re the shot callers too. With the right training you can help them complete there DMPs, cull returns, habitat assessments, keep the insurers happy, tick the H&S boxes, etc. Versus Joe who can’t, who is going to get the call? Also bear in mind that the majority of tenant farmers don’t have the right to give anyone else the right to shoot deer, often only the landowner can do that.
The list just adds another opportunity for people to get stalking. I don’t think anyone would, or should, rely on it entirely.
Undoubtedly. Just like moving the LGMH element from level 1 to level 2.
Previously, nobody had to move on to level 2, which was therefore a lost source of revenue. Now, assuming people want to stick with the "trusted" DMQ* then, unless you only stalk for home consumption, you've got no choice but to do level 2.
(* I know there are other options, but the DMQ route is the one that's (currently) most widely recognised).
FC already lets out land to deer managers and syndicates, whether there will be more opened up will be seen, but you need Level 2 for this and to pass an annual shooting test.
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