palmer_mike
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Actually, it did have a series of tick boxes to show forms of shooting you do (one of which was deerstalking).
BASC survey lead free transition
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big ears
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Ok one then. Not one mention of bullets. Only shot cartridges and loads. Concern about shotguns and cost of new one.
terrier1
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If you mean the HSE yes I have filled it in.
And as I said above I deer stalk I shoot shotguns on live quarry and Clays.
palmer_mike
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Conor O'Gorman
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The BASC Live newsletter on Wednesday contained a heads up on the survey, which is sent to anyone that signs up to receive it. The survey is also being shared on social media including Facebook.
There have been myriad surveys on the use of lead shot for live quarry shooting by BASC and others over the years (some long before 2020) and we have now had over 3 years of consultation on the voluntary move away from lead shot and single use plastics for shotgun cartridges for live quarry shooting in the UK. That consultation continues. And this survey is part of that continued consultation. Please click the link below to complete the survey, which closes at midday on 17 January 2024.
Online Survey Software: Closed Survey
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palmer_mike
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Thanks for posting the link. Must have missed all the other surveys BASC have conducted of their members regarding the transition away from lead?The BASC Live newsletter on Wednesday contained a heads up on the survey, which is sent to anyone that signs up to receive it. The survey is also being shared on social media including Facebook.
There have been myriad surveys on the use of lead shot for live quarry shooting by BASC and others over the years (some long before 2020) and we have now had over 3 years of consultation on the voluntary move away from lead shot and single use plastics for shotgun cartridges for live quarry shooting in the UK. That consultation continues. And this survey is part of that continued consultation. Please click the link below to complete the survey, which closes at midday on 17 January 2024.
Online Survey Software: Closed Survey
Conor O'Gorman
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Clearly so, and you must have missed all the myriad threads on SD offering feedback on the voluntary transition away from lead shot for live quarry shooting.
Did you respond to the recently closed HSE consultation on its lead ban proposals? Did you respond to the 2022 HSE consultation on its lead ban proposals? Did you respond to the 2021 HSE call for evidence on its review into 'lead in ammunition?
So it is. In fourth billing behind an article on food at a school in Taunton and one about 2 new BSA air rifles. It's not included in the quarterly communications mailed to all members?
Thank you.There have been myriad surveys on the use of lead shot for live quarry shooting by BASC and others over the years (some long before 2020) and we have now had over 3 years of consultation on the voluntary move away from lead shot and single use plastics for shotgun cartridges for live quarry shooting in the UK. That consultation continues. And this survey is part of that continued consultation. Please click the link below to complete the survey, which closes at midday on 17 January 2024.
Online Survey Software: Closed Survey
Well, at least I don't feel unique in missing most of the myriad.
The BASC Live newsletter on Wednesday contained a heads up on the survey, which is sent to anyone that signs up to receive it. The survey is also being shared on social media including Facebook.
There have been myriad surveys on the use of lead shot for live quarry shooting by BASC and others over the years (some long before 2020) and we have now had over 3 years of consultation on the voluntary move away from lead shot and single use plastics for shotgun cartridges for live quarry shooting in the UK. That consultation continues. And this survey is part of that continued consultation. Please click the link below to complete the survey, which closes at midday on 17 January 2024.
Online Survey Software: Closed Survey
I must admit i had not seen this either - i receive the emails but am not on Facebook
I could not find it on the website but again im less than average on the computer
I have completed the survey and make this comment in it. In December 2021 I sold my one Boss gun made in 1922 (their usual side by side 12 bore single trigger easy opener) for the price that in December 2023 I could now buy a pair of such Boss guns for at auction. That that is a very real result of BASC's five year transition call....that the value of classic London "best" guns has collapsed.
palmer_mike
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none of your business I’d say, but since you ask. Yes I Did.
Just like the RSPB and RSPCA are wary of upsetting people that might leave them something when they die, BASC should be the same. Until the wildfowling lead ban, after doing most of my shooting below high water mark since 1962, BASC would have featured in my will, not any more!!! BLESMA will get well over £1M instead, if social services don't take it for care home fees.
Smellydog
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These forms, is someone actually going to read them?
And when they have or if they have read them,are they going to tell their gaffa he is making a mistake?
I think not.
I was watching a swan Saturday feeding on the bottom of a shallow river.
My wife said " what is it sifting for"?
She had noticed how it was rejecting all manner of material and feeling for something specific.
Oh the joys of not being a scientist and just observing with an open mind to spot the fecking obvious!
And when they have or if they have read them,are they going to tell their gaffa he is making a mistake?
I think not.
I was watching a swan Saturday feeding on the bottom of a shallow river.
My wife said " what is it sifting for"?
She had noticed how it was rejecting all manner of material and feeling for something specific.
Oh the joys of not being a scientist and just observing with an open mind to spot the fecking obvious!
StephenToast
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Ignorance is indeed bliss.
Pine Marten
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If you've volunteered to have a 5 year voluntary transition away from lead, you need to gather evidence that people are indeed transitioning. That way hopefully when the 5 years are up you can tell the powers that be that there's no need to legislate and criminalise the use of lead, most people have moved along anyway. It's not an opinion survey on whether you think it should happen or not, it's already happening.
I've now happily moved to steel, copper and very occasional bismuth for everything except my air rifle for the squirrels and it makes not a jot of difference in practice. I still can't hit high fast ducks and I never could. It has nothing to do with the Eley ESPs. And the standard power Jockers with cardboard wads are brilliant on pheasants, hares, woodcock, pigeons, I was just annoyed that I couldn't find anymore and now I'm running out. Same goes for stalking. Everything falls over and dies quite happily and the accuracy is just the same as it was before.
I've now happily moved to steel, copper and very occasional bismuth for everything except my air rifle for the squirrels and it makes not a jot of difference in practice. I still can't hit high fast ducks and I never could. It has nothing to do with the Eley ESPs. And the standard power Jockers with cardboard wads are brilliant on pheasants, hares, woodcock, pigeons, I was just annoyed that I couldn't find anymore and now I'm running out. Same goes for stalking. Everything falls over and dies quite happily and the accuracy is just the same as it was before.
In a perfect world, but what if the evidence is that very few have transitioned away from lead then you are up the river without a paddle and legislation is then the only option for you to achieve your agenda.
Pine Marten
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Well that's down to each and every one of us, isn't it? It's not BASC's fault. There is a chance to avoid legislation. If it doesn't work, it won't be a choice anymore. Up to the individuals. It's like fighting against electric cars or heat pumps. It's going to happen anyway. Up to you how you want to play it.
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