That’s what I had on my previous ranger before the Amarok.
Best all terrain tyres
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8x17 6x139.7 ET35 Black Rhino Stadium wheels with 265/65R17 AT3s on the new shape V6 Ranger. Ill probably go 265/70R17 in the same tyre when these are worn.
I’ve had BF KO2s, won’t go back to them. I had STT Pros on the previous shape Ranger. Almost unstoppable off road, but very noisy on the road with lots of vibration
I’ve had BF KO2s, won’t go back to them. I had STT Pros on the previous shape Ranger. Almost unstoppable off road, but very noisy on the road with lots of vibration
devon deer stalker
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When I purchased my replacement Hilux last year it had cheap AT's on the back and road tyres on the front, I recently changed them to what I have used before BFG's KO2 AT, they are great off road, I little slippy around wet tarmac corners....and expect your fuel consumption to drop off
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Bfg's were good many moons ago when other companies weren't putting lots in to r+d. There's now a hole host of cheaper, better all terrains which far exceed the capability of the bfg. Unfortunately people who have used them for a while still don't think anything can be better than them but again, it's all they know! I also despise the grabbers, absolutely awful things, almost as bad as bfgs 
Yokohama go15's are probably one of the best of the bunch, in all road conditions and exceptionally good in snow and ice, given their compound.
Toyo open country AT's are a good tyre and wear well. The falken wildpeak is also definitely worth a look
Yokohama go15's are probably one of the best of the bunch, in all road conditions and exceptionally good in snow and ice, given their compound.
Toyo open country AT's are a good tyre and wear well. The falken wildpeak is also definitely worth a look
Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for.
caorach
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Bfg's were good many moons ago when other companies weren't putting lots in to r+d. There's now a hole host of cheaper, better all terrains which far exceed the capability of the bfg. Unfortunately people who have used them for a while still don't think anything can be better than them but again, it's all they know! I also despise the grabbers, absolutely awful things, almost as bad as bfgs
Yokohama go15's are probably one of the best of the bunch, in all road conditions and exceptionally good in snow and ice, given their compound.
Toyo open country AT's are a good tyre and wear well. The falken wildpeak is also definitely worth a look
I agree about BFGs, I really can't think of anything to recommend them to a UK user as they don't work on wet roads, wet forestry tracks, wet grass, wet mud etc. All of the BFG advertising that I've seen centres around crossing deserts and perhaps the BFGs are excellent in dry conditions. Also they do seem very robust, another positive. However I think the technology has long since passed them by for use somewhere like the UK. I ran them for a goodly while and they got worse over time plus i was very disappointed in the performance of something that everyone on the internet seemed to recommend. Also everyone on the internet always claims that they last a long time but I don't see this as a big advantage if it is because they are so hard they have no grip. I've also noticed from a few facebook pickup forums that a very high proportion of the pictures of upside down pickups buried into the crash barrier on the central reservation are using BFGs.
To your list I will also add the newer Pirelli All Terrain Plus. I've no idea how available they are or in what sizes - they used to be available in every size under the sun. I have had Yoko Geolanders (the previous version) and I thought they were good but I think the Pirelli might be a little better off road and on road I'd say they are both about equal in the sense that for a pickup they pretty much drive like a road tyre. I haven't used the Pirellis much in snow but hear from people in more northern climes that they are good in snow, I also found the Yokos very respectable in snow as well. The BFGs were sort of OK in freshly fallen deep snow but for most UK driving on packed snow or slushy wet snow they were not at all good.
At the minute I will replace the Pirelli AT+ with another set of the same but if for some reason I can't get them then I'd certainly consider the Yokos first when looking at alternatives.
Posted previously on here about GG AT3 in 19" - lost 4 in about a year due to sidewall damage on my FL2, although on one, the bead split when I pushed it up a kerb at literally snail pace! I went to Falken Wildpeak AT3 as a replacement and found them excellent off road, good on wet grass and stunning on snow/ice. On a third set now in 19" on my LR dS and they are just as good. BASC do a discount on them and IMHO they are a very good compromise on performance, price and manners off/on road.
Steff
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Exactly this.
The BFG AT´s rubber hardens considerably after a few years. I will not get into a car in winter conditions that has 3 year old BFG AT´s on it.
I can confirm the Yokohama AT G015´s very good snow amd ice capabilities. I currently run them on my Hilux. During the past two weeks I had ample chance to test this.
Thanks for hinting the Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus. Unfortunately they don´t make them in my size (256/70 R17).
When I put on the Yokohama Geolandars I was also considering the Grabber AT3, which I have no own experience with. But I do know a few people who rate them highly. You obviously don´t like them. What´s wromg with them from your perspective?Bfg's were good many moons ago when other companies weren't putting lots in to r+d. There's now a hole host of cheaper, better all terrains which far exceed the capability of the bfg. Unfortunately people who have used them for a while still don't think anything can be better than them but again, it's all they know! I also despise the grabbers, absolutely awful things, almost as bad as bfgs
Yokohama go15's are probably one of the best of the bunch, in all road conditions and exceptionally good in snow and ice, given their compound.
Toyo open country AT's are a good tyre and wear well. The falken wildpeak is also definitely worth a look
HonestJohn
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If you want great MT tires you will have poor road performance and fuel economy and likely dangerous winter driving.
If you want good performance on wet and icy roads and decent fuel economy and road noise, you will not get good mud and off road performance.
Most recommendations for AT tires are suitor of all, master of none. They’re a Chinese made 8’ 5wt fly rod. You will in turn, not be really pleased with the performance of your tires in ANY circumstances. IMHO this is the worst deal of all, as you will likely get stuck in mud, weak sidewalls mean punctures, compound means crap winter driving, and you will pay for fuel consumption the tires abilities does not warrant. Think about this.
I think there are three credible schools of thought -
1- tires like the Michelin cross climate or other slightly grabby all season road tires, and learn to drive them and deflate them for long footprints when needed. Most if used by skilled drivers will outperform an average off road driver with knobby tires who just hits GO and sends mud flying. If 80-90% of your driving is on the road or good tracks, this is sensible.
2. Buy proper MT tires and, again, learn to use them with your low box and in-de-flation. If most, or say 40-60% of your driving is on tracks, in mud, woods, farms, etc, this may be the best option - but don’t lie to yourself about how much time spent off road, most people say 30% of the time to justify AT/MT tires, but in reality it’s 2% of the time. Accept road noise, and drive really carefully in winter. 20k miles and replace them most likely. Accept up to 20% loss in fuel economy. Or!! ALSO buy a set of normal winter tires to put on when it get icy!! Or for long trips on bitumen. Ie, run 2-3 sets.
3. This is the grey area which I explored and will revert to again- as noted the tire like the Grabber X3 - fantastic off road in mud, rock, strong sidewalls, etc. compound means it’s safe and actually good on ice, wet roads and winter driving. Lasted me 65k miles for one set, although they cost £1200 for 5 tires. They are noisy, yes, but nothing like the humming of a MT tire, they reduced my fuel consumption from 600 miles per tank to 500. However, they outperform the AT category in that they actually really work off road and in mud, AND on snow and ice on bitumen. You will not hear many people recommend them on here, because they are unknown and expensive, so get few users. This is the danger of seeking advice, you will only get advice based on what is popular due to trends, and never steer away from the pack and explore something new, history always repeats itself
I chose to break away and try fishing on my own, and glad i did. Word of warning though, you will have pretty women throwing themselves at you with their tops off..screaming ‘are those Grabber X3’s’
If you want good performance on wet and icy roads and decent fuel economy and road noise, you will not get good mud and off road performance.
Most recommendations for AT tires are suitor of all, master of none. They’re a Chinese made 8’ 5wt fly rod. You will in turn, not be really pleased with the performance of your tires in ANY circumstances. IMHO this is the worst deal of all, as you will likely get stuck in mud, weak sidewalls mean punctures, compound means crap winter driving, and you will pay for fuel consumption the tires abilities does not warrant. Think about this.
I think there are three credible schools of thought -
1- tires like the Michelin cross climate or other slightly grabby all season road tires, and learn to drive them and deflate them for long footprints when needed. Most if used by skilled drivers will outperform an average off road driver with knobby tires who just hits GO and sends mud flying. If 80-90% of your driving is on the road or good tracks, this is sensible.
2. Buy proper MT tires and, again, learn to use them with your low box and in-de-flation. If most, or say 40-60% of your driving is on tracks, in mud, woods, farms, etc, this may be the best option - but don’t lie to yourself about how much time spent off road, most people say 30% of the time to justify AT/MT tires, but in reality it’s 2% of the time. Accept road noise, and drive really carefully in winter. 20k miles and replace them most likely. Accept up to 20% loss in fuel economy. Or!! ALSO buy a set of normal winter tires to put on when it get icy!! Or for long trips on bitumen. Ie, run 2-3 sets.
3. This is the grey area which I explored and will revert to again- as noted the tire like the Grabber X3 - fantastic off road in mud, rock, strong sidewalls, etc. compound means it’s safe and actually good on ice, wet roads and winter driving. Lasted me 65k miles for one set, although they cost £1200 for 5 tires. They are noisy, yes, but nothing like the humming of a MT tire, they reduced my fuel consumption from 600 miles per tank to 500. However, they outperform the AT category in that they actually really work off road and in mud, AND on snow and ice on bitumen. You will not hear many people recommend them on here, because they are unknown and expensive, so get few users. This is the danger of seeking advice, you will only get advice based on what is popular due to trends, and never steer away from the pack and explore something new, history always repeats itself
I chose to break away and try fishing on my own, and glad i did. Word of warning though, you will have pretty women throwing themselves at you with their tops off..screaming ‘are those Grabber X3’s’
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