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Me too - singing quietly to himself ...
Deer see colours in the blue spectrum best in fact better than we do for example the blue of a pair of blue jeans
will be much more vivid to them than it is to us.
Colours in the red spectrum cause them much more difficulty and reds and oranges are probably only seen as shades of grey.
Tests have shown that they have some sensitivity to yellow but that is probably as far in to the red spectrum as they
can see.
At one time it was thought that deer saw only in shades of grey that is now known to be untrue they do indeed see colour just differently to what we do.
will be much more vivid to them than it is to us.
Colours in the red spectrum cause them much more difficulty and reds and oranges are probably only seen as shades of grey.
Tests have shown that they have some sensitivity to yellow but that is probably as far in to the red spectrum as they
can see.
At one time it was thought that deer saw only in shades of grey that is now known to be untrue they do indeed see colour just differently to what we do.
Compared to some of the replies I feel a bit upside-down, I tend to wear brown(ish) trousers and some shade of green jacket/smock etc - I rarely wear camo these days. Nothing against it as such but just don't see the need where I do most of my stalking.
On one bit of land where I regularly stalk it actually makes sense to occasionally go out dressed like a "normal" dog-walker, hiker, rambler (I was tempted to say cyclist but looking like a MAMIL is going too far) or such. The deer see so many of them that they don't seem worried by someone in everyday clothing or by small groups of people.
Go out alone and all cammed up - they're off into the next field if they catch the slightest glimpse of you.
Somebody mentioned Fallow, I do prefer to wear a face-veil when out after them as those deer - especially the does - seem to be super alert and every little helps, but I still rarely go full camo even for them.
On one bit of land where I regularly stalk it actually makes sense to occasionally go out dressed like a "normal" dog-walker, hiker, rambler (I was tempted to say cyclist but looking like a MAMIL is going too far) or such. The deer see so many of them that they don't seem worried by someone in everyday clothing or by small groups of people.
Go out alone and all cammed up - they're off into the next field if they catch the slightest glimpse of you.
Somebody mentioned Fallow, I do prefer to wear a face-veil when out after them as those deer - especially the does - seem to be super alert and every little helps, but I still rarely go full camo even for them.
Or when it gets wet then the dark stuff (even DPM) looks black! Or the British Multi cam that is way too light after a few washes, unless your on stubble. I second Flecktarn which hides everything, even blood.
Erik Hamburger
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Any dull browns, greens and beiges works well - it is your movements, noise and smell that matter.
Hunting Camo is designed by the marketing-men.
Hunting Camo is designed by the marketing-men.
Freeforester
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Snap!
This is true, dressed in full hi-viz on commercial / industrial land has been no handicap to me shooting Muntjac.
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I wish I'd got a photo of the right nugget I passed this week dressed in full dog's breakfast camo & a lemon viz tabbard, had with him the obligatory gun-dog, a nice lively Flat-Coat complete with mandatory tosser category halti head collar, poor dog condemned to a life of total boredom always on its lead ffs
Dunwaters
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Loden jacket.
I used to wear Realtree of various patterns.... but Fallow and foxes would often clock me pretty quickly if I was sat up a high seat even if I didn’t move.
I’ve now almost worn out a plain browny grey RiversWest smock as that’s been noticeably better, including when walking and stalking. Very impressed.
I always try and cover the face and wear gloves....combined with movement, bare flesh sticks out like a flag 100’s of yards away against woodland and open hill.
Fizz
I’ve now almost worn out a plain browny grey RiversWest smock as that’s been noticeably better, including when walking and stalking. Very impressed.
I always try and cover the face and wear gloves....combined with movement, bare flesh sticks out like a flag 100’s of yards away against woodland and open hill.
Fizz
I am mainly using greens and browns. The thing i look for over colour is how quiet the garment is including zips, press studs, velcro etc. Some material seems quiet just walking in it but then you brush pass a pine tree and it clings to every fibre. I do when ever i can use gloves and face coverings. Its more about how you move and how quiet than what camo to use. The one thing that gives more deer away is there movement so it should be the same in reverse
JabaliHunter
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Gore Optifade
Failing that, Musto, Le Chameau or ProHunter green...
Failing that, Musto, Le Chameau or ProHunter green...
Camo was invented to conceal soldiers from other soldiers - i.e. human from human
It has nothing to do with hunting
Most hunting camo is designed to catch the hunter's wallet not hide him from his quarry
To be hidden - stay away from blue colors, wear drab colored clothes, try not to wash them in detergent and above all practice good field craft
It has nothing to do with hunting
Most hunting camo is designed to catch the hunter's wallet not hide him from his quarry
To be hidden - stay away from blue colors, wear drab colored clothes, try not to wash them in detergent and above all practice good field craft
caorach
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That's fine, and most people know it, however in the end you have to go out wearing something and many people operate on the basis that if they can wear something that gives them a bit of an advantage then that is the thing they will put on. My view is that most of the "commercial" cammo clothing/patterns are pretty useless but the military ones are generally pretty good on average.
I suspect that the degree to which deer depend on eyesight for predator detection is underestimated, you don't sustain the evolutionary cost of developing such big eyes and then not use them. I think that sika, in particular, have eyesight which is way better at detecting threats than mine is at detecting prey, sure they may not be ideally adapted to reading the internet but some experiments I've done indicate that sika will see you if you sit still and are in shade etc. at 250 - 350 yards and if you move at up to 750 yards. At 750 yards you can't see the deer, even if they do move, and even with binoculars they are next to invisible unless moving quite a bit but if you move about thinking you can't see them without a 30X telescope so they'll not see you then they are gone.
On this basis field craft etc. comes top of the pile but unless you normally stalk naked then there is no down side, in stalking terms, to wearing cammo and it will help to break up your outline making you harder for any animal out there to see. You must remember that we are a group of people who will pay an extra £2k for a scope because someone on the internet says it might give you an extra 2 or 3 minutes shooting at last light. Compared to this throwing on a cammo jacket you got for £10 doesn't seem like a bad idea.
I'm as much a mug for camo as the next person - I like realtree, however I'm not aware that it actually works for most quarry types?
Surely it was designed to fool the human eye - does it really work for those eyes that see in different ranges of the spectrum??
As you say - you have to wear something and commercial gear is built for the outdoors - I was trying to address the question of which camo was best for the UK
rightly or wrongly my answer is/was - none of them or all of them, as they are not designed to fool any eye other than the human eye
Surely it was designed to fool the human eye - does it really work for those eyes that see in different ranges of the spectrum??
As you say - you have to wear something and commercial gear is built for the outdoors - I was trying to address the question of which camo was best for the UK
rightly or wrongly my answer is/was - none of them or all of them, as they are not designed to fool any eye other than the human eye
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