Blaser r93

Sikadave84

Well-Known Member
Morning guys,

got my variation back for a 6.5x55 and I'm really tempted to go for an r93 as there seem to be some bargains on guntrader. Can anyone explain to me though how it works when you buy one new? I'm assuming the dearest price includes the mounts but there are some that are a lot cheaper so what am I missing here.

The ones on guntrader secondhand don't say if they come with mounts or not. Can you only use blaser mounts? If anyone can do me a quick idiots guide with pros and cons for the r93 id really appreciate it.


cheers Dave
 
The pros and cons seem to be that some people love them while others seem to hate them so it would be worth giving one a try before you buy.

I have an R93 in 308 and it is a fantastic tool for the job in the sense that it is reliable, shoots all ammo better than I can, is weather proof, is easy to clean and dry after a wet day out and so on. Basically it is an extremely practical bit of engineering that just does what it says it will do. You'll not be spending your life looking for ammo that it shoots well or worrying about a little rain etc. On the other hand some people don't adapt well to the straight pull and they are not exactly an attractive rifle.

There are mounts other than the Blaser ones and I know the Blaser ones are expensive but they do work very well indeed, one of the best groups I ever shot I took the rifle apart several times (just for fun) during the process including removing the scope from the barrel, so I'm confident that you can take the scope off, and take the rifle apart, with no change in where you hit the target. For me that's worth paying a little bit more for.
 
The pros and cons seem to be that some people love them while others seem to hate them so it would be worth giving one a try before you buy.

I have an R93 in 308 and it is a fantastic tool for the job in the sense that it is reliable, shoots all ammo better than I can, is weather proof, is easy to clean and dry after a wet day out and so on. Basically it is an extremely practical bit of engineering that just does what it says it will do. You'll not be spending your life looking for ammo that it shoots well or worrying about a little rain etc. On the other hand some people don't adapt well to the straight pull and they are not exactly an attractive rifle.

There are mounts other than the Blaser ones and I know the Blaser ones are expensive but they do work very well indeed, one of the best groups I ever shot I took the rifle apart several times (just for fun) during the process including removing the scope from the barrel, so I'm confident that you can take the scope off, and take the rifle apart, with no change in where you hit the target. For me that's worth paying a little bit more for.

I've only used bolt actions before so I will be trying one before I commit to buying one that's for sure. What attracts me to them is that I'm a big fan of engineering and like you say it's very well designed and engineered for what it does. I know they're not the prettiest of rifles but I view them more as tools, I've had expensive shotguns with fancy wood and when they get scratched I'm gutted so prefer something more rugged. I'll have a look for some different or second hand mounts and see what's about
 
I know they're not the prettiest of rifles but I view them more as tools,

That is my position. In a sense I'm not interested in guns at all, they are simply a tool to get me out and about stalking, so that is why I bought the Blaser as I only have one rifle and probably will only ever have one rifle as it simply does the job with the least fuss possible.

For a while there were quite a few second hand mounts coming up in the classifieds on here and that would save you a few quid. I can't comment on the repeatability of the "3rd party" mounts but a company called MAK certainly make them. It is hard shelling out the sort of money that would buy you a decent rifle on the Blaser mounts so I can fully understand why you might be reluctant to do that.
 
That is my position. In a sense I'm not interested in guns at all, they are simply a tool to get me out and about stalking, so that is why I bought the Blaser as I only have one rifle and probably will only ever have one rifle as it simply does the job with the least fuss possible.
I'm the same, I sold three sako's and one tikka and bought my first blaser and a multitude of barrels years ago.
I have never looked back and have never regreted that decision.
Their are many advantages but the ones that really appeal to me is the simplicity of cleaning.
It's a piece of cake to strip it down and clean.
I have even hosed mine when it's been utterly filthy and covered in red dust.

They other thing I find very useful is that I shoot everything from rabbits to buff with the same rifle. You get very familiar with that gun, trigger characteristics, magazine removal, decocker operation, balance in the hands, open sights etc.
You would be amazed at how well you handle and operate your deer rifle if you regularly shoot rabbits with it.
I mainly use barrels in 223, 7x64, and 9.3x62. That covers everything for me.

Personally I would only buy the Blaser mounts as I know they hold perfect repeatable zero every time you remove them and reattach. Yes they are expensive but they work.
 
I would be surprised that if you shop around you won't be able to find a second hand including the mounts, most decent dealers should knock a nice bit off if your buying new. When I bought mine 5 yrs ago the dealer gave them foc but I'm in Ireland. Wouldn't look beyond blaser factory mounts and rings so simple but effective .
 
if money is tight i have some Apel blaser mounts here that take standard Sako optilock or apel rings so if you have rings it may save you some money.
 
Cheers for all your advice guys it's been very helpful, I've found one and put a deposit down and picking up this weekend. As a bonus it comes with some 30mm blaser mounts as well but....my swaro scope has a 1" tube, so was planning to put them on here to see if anyone would swap for a set of inch ones if they have a spare set.

CWMMAN3738 thank you for the offer I may take you up on that as after shelling out a small fortune for the rifle money will be very tight for a while
 
I've found one and put a deposit down and picking up this weekend. As a bonus it comes with some 30mm blaser mounts as well but....my swaro scope has a 1" tube, so was planning to put them on here to see if anyone would swap for a set of inch ones if they have a spare set.

I hope you will get a lot of enjoyment out of the new rifle and that it will work well for you, and I'm sure it will.

People always seem to be upgrading scopes and 30mm tubes have recently become quite the thing so I'm sure it will not be too hard to find someone looking to swap their 1 inch rings for some 30mm ones so it is well worth a punt.
 
recently there has been a test in a german hunting magazine which stated that POI shifts less with the original blaser mount. Others like the MAK where also in the acceptable range of POI shifts.

I personally would have bought a r8, simply for safety reasons.
 
recently there has been a test in a german hunting magazine which stated that POI shifts less with the original blaser mount. Others like the MAK where also in the acceptable range of POI shifts.

I personally would have bought a r8, simply for safety reasons.

what safety reasons are these mate?
 
what safety reasons are these mate?

David, I recon he is referring to the amounts of accidents that have happened with the R93 vs the R8.
I know Blaser owners will deny that anything has ever happened.
Generally one seems to get the feeling that the R8 is accepted as being safe, the R93 is controversial.
edi
 
David, I recon he is referring to the amounts of accidents that have happened with the R93 vs the R8.
I know Blaser owners will deny that anything has ever happened.
Generally one seems to get the feeling that the R8 is accepted as being safe, the R93 is controversial.
edi


Ive just been looking up about this, but from what I can see they were mostly caused by overcooking home loads or am I wrong? There isn't a huge amount of information that I can find. But I must admit the thought of a bolt blowing back into my face is a bit disconcerting and giving me second thoughts on the R93. An R8 is too expensive for me at the minute.
 
Ive just been looking up about this, but from what I can see they were mostly caused by overcooking home loads or am I wrong? There isn't a huge amount of information that I can find. But I must admit the thought of a bolt blowing back into my face is a bit disconcerting and giving me second thoughts on the R93. An R8 is too expensive for me at the minute.

You won't find a huge amount of information either.

You will find that the same people raise the same concerns every time the word Blaser is mentioned. For example see: Another Blaser

On one side of the argument is the belief that the lack of information is because there are no more accidents with Blasers than there are with any other rifle.
On the other side of the argument is the belief that the lack of information is all down to a conspiracy theory between Blaser and the people who own them.

I have yet to see them publish any of their correspondence with Blaser themselves or the regulatory authorities on this matter, but I live in hope.
 
The R93 is a very strong action... when it is locked, some examples have shown no issues with overloaded cartridges even up to 6000bar. (Somewhere in a DEVA report).
However for some reasons every now and then one lets go with factory ammo or hand loaded and the result is not nice.
All R93's out there are getting older and more worn, I think we haven't seen the end of the problems.
Even in 1898 Mauser built actions with better safety features, maybe that is a reason why some are up in a heap over the 93.
Magically we don't hear reports of R8's giving trouble.
edi
 
what safety reasons are these mate?

There was a bloke who loaded a magnum cartridge with pistol powder and, after firing quite a few of them, managed to get the bolt to come back and hit him in the face. That I know of he never sued Blaser, never demonstrated any liability and never got any legal representation to attempt to prove any liability on Blaser's part. He is also the only evidence I could find on the internet of anyone ever having a Blaser blow up.

For safety reasons Blasers are now no longer sold to people who are that stupid.

Watch and learn...

 
There was a bloke who loaded a magnum cartridge with pistol powder and, after firing quite a few of them, managed to get the bolt to come back and hit him in the face. That I know of he never sued Blaser, never demonstrated any liability and never got any legal representation to attempt to prove any liability on Blaser's part. He is also the only evidence I could find on the internet of anyone ever having a Blaser blow up.

For safety reasons Blasers are now no longer sold to people who are that stupid.

Watch and learn...

Thanks for posting. I've been looking for that clip. The more you look into these so called Blaser blow-ups the more you realise it was a Darwin Award attempt on the part of the owner/operator. Being an R8 owner myself I want the truth, even if it's not what I want to hear. So far the reported shenanigans of the blow-upees is astounding. Some people are so stupid, if breathing wasn't a reflex, they'd suffocate.

If it was me I'd get the R93 and enjoy one of the most accurate, repeatable and easy to live with stalking rifles you can get. This is from someone who spent a fortune having custom rifles made to order over the last 15 years.

Atb
 
As I said and many know, if the blaser action is locked it will take pressure.
Many R93's have taken the faces out of their owners, not only one. Even if pistol powder or obstruction would make an action blow up it should not come out the back. The design is flawed.
edi
 
This is a letter from Blaser lifted from "tinternet"
Jaywalker and others-

Pursuant to obtaining an R93 and then hearing rumors of "blow-ups" on the 'net, I contacted Blaser in 2005 and received both personal letter from the home office and a copy of a press release from Blaser that was made available to the media and the public in general.

Here is the letter I received: (I didn't know how to scan it and send it here so just rewrote it for the benefit of all who are interested.)

Dear Sir,

As you are aware of, on January 10, 2004, at a shooting range near Koblenz, Germany, a Blaser R93 was damaged and in that accident the shooter was injured.

Unfortunately this issue has been taken and exaggerated from various people in order to discredit the R93 in an un-objective and dubious way.

On January 22, 2004, the CEO and Technical Directors of Blaser Jagdwaffen GmbH were able to look at the rifle in question, with three police officials with the permission of the public prosecutors office Koblenz.

The steel showed deformation in the lockup area as well as two definite cracks beginning at the rear end of the chamber. Powderized brass was found in the lock-up area. There was deformation on the bolt head as well as deformation on the bolt head elements. The cam plate, which supports the assembly in locked position, and the right rail were broken away from position while the assembly was in a closed and locked position.

In a series of tests through DEVA (Deutsche Versuchs- und prufanstalt fur Jagd- und Sportwaffen.V.) measurements of the gas pressure were increased to almost 8.000bar/116,000 psi, whereby under this pressure there was no measured deformation to the outer contour of the chamber area in the barrel. There were also no deformations to the bolt head.

Without wanting to anticipate the results from the public prosecutor and after examination we have concluded clearly the damage was caused through extreme overloaded gas pressure. With consideration to the above mentioned DEVA examination, it is our opinion that the cause of this accident is without doubt due to the ammunition and cannot be related to the rifle. (my note: the independant agency DEVA later confirmed this as their findings also).

At this point we would like to clearly state, that the technical design of the R93, with more than 100,000 rifles supplied (and now more than 160,000 as has been mentioned in a post above), has not been found responsible for any accident where the rifle has been damaged. Every single R93 is controlled and tested by the state/county proof-house according to the C.I.P. regulations using proof cartridges exceeding the maximal allowed gas pressure by a minimum of 30%. The R93, however, withstands loads/gas pressures way above proof-level as our in-house/combined DEVA-tests clearly documents.

In the test reports from DEVA it was confirmed that there is no reason to doubt or fear the R93s strength and durability. DEVA states, "In the case of destruction to a rifle with an (illegal) gas pressure of 8.000 bar or above, this eventually may result in injury to the shooter. This cannot be related to the rifle."

"There are no reasons for us to doubt the safety of the technical design of the R93."

Unfortunately, it happens in individual cases that the use of defective or incorrectly loaded ammunition results in damage to the rifle and/or shooter, no matter what brand or type of rifle is used. For example, in 2003 we were aware that in Austria alone, three cases of destroyed bolt-actions rifles occured due to incorrectly loaded ammunition with three different rifle manufacturers being involved.

Even through there are enormous numbers of R93s on the market there are extremely few cases occuring through inadmissable, well overloaded gas pressures where a rifle is damaged or destructed. For this there are appraisals from different institutes with clear statements: In none of these cases a weapon-lateral cause of the damage was determined.

The Blaser R93, through its extremely safe and practice-suited technical design is one of the most popular hunting rifles offered on todays market. The straight fact is that with the enormous numbers of the R93 in the field today it is extremely rare that a rifle is destructed through incorrectly loaded ammunition. This is argument enough for the R93.

Yours sincerely in good hunting,

Blaser Jagdwaffen GmbH
Bernhard Knobel


Perhaps we can put the safety of the R93 design to rest finally. Hearsay is that a Weatherby was just blown up in this past half year. With the tens of thousands of handloaders out there, any manufacturers action can be turned into a bomb with a double charge or so of a two-fast powder.

Gdv

ejg I'm happy to listen to qualified opinion and you obviously must be a qualified engineer specialising in pressure vessels. What is the inherent design flaw with the R93? and why can you guarantee a turn bolt action when disintegrating due to catastrophic overpressure, will not injure the shooter?

Atb
 
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