Not the usual calibre debate.......this time it is 7x64 or .280 Rem

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ohsohumdrum...go for a .280 Sherman.

enfieldspares said:
The .280 AI and or the 7mm Remington Magnum I'd discount as I don't like cases with sharp shoulders less they hang up in rapid reloading and I don't like belted cases for the same reason.
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geez Richard,when you have a Sambar hammering through the bush in front of the hounds you do at times need to rattle a few quick rounds through your rifle....I did it for years with my old 7mm mag with nary a hang up. I think its more the .243 crowd that graduate to say 7mm mag and then short stroke in panic with the longer bullet resulting to a **** up.
 
+1 for the 7x64.

Essentially the 280 and the 7x64 shoot the same bullets with almost an equal amount of powder, and i think fairly similar saami and cip recomended pressures. So it is not there the main difference will be.
However most rifle and barrelmakers (although i dont know about blaser!) probably makes the 7x64 with long throats and fairly fast twist rate barrels, and i believe this might not be as typical for most 280s. In that case the 7x64 has a funtional edge to the 280 when using heavier and longer bullets.
It, to me, also has an advantage via it's longer history as a hunting round, making it a bit of classic.
 
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enfieldspares said:
I hate to say it, as my own preference is .280 Remington and a cartridge "born" in the same year as myself (despite the wildcat 7mm-06) but this last paragraph seals the question. For whatiffery and whataboutery that you can transport the rifle OK but not the ammunition? The rifle is metal and wood or plastic. The ammunition is "explosives" so that may restrict if you canb carry it at all by some ferries, tunnels or 'planes. With then the need to buy the cartridges "in resort" in Europe 7x64 is the only sensible advice. Head, here, must rule heart.

The .280 AI and or the 7mm Remington Magnum I'd discount as I don't like cases with sharp shoulders less they hang up in rapid reloading and I don't like belted cases for the same reason. If either shape were 110% reliable to feed under stress they'd have likely long been adopted (the .55 Boyes notwitstanding) as a case shape for service rounds...there's a reason that the 8.6x70 aka .338 Lapua doesn't have a belt! You really don't want to halfway up a scree covered slope on that mouflon hunt and have a cartridge hang up.

Efficiency of feeding and feeding under stress or when presented with that "once in a lifetime" shot or any need for a rapid and certain follow up shot beats hands down and all ways any supposed efficiency of burning of powder IMHO. The most powder efficient shaped cartridge is useless if it's square shoulder gets stuck on the edge of your barrel's feed ramp or its belt gets hooked the belt of the cartridge below it. Leave the AI to Mr Ackley. The 280 is a cartridge that performs well enough that it doesn't need it.
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also good points. :tiphat:
 
Discussed previously,circa 10 years ago.

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Thread '280 or 7x64'

I am trying to make a decision on which calibre
If anyone has experience of both and can give some pointers I would be grateful

the other info needed is the availability or ease of purchasing ammo and brass in the UK, so again any views from people who know

Uses- long range gong bashing and normal hunting use

thanks
 
An excellent article on exactly this topic, albeit from a North American perspective. Deciding factor for me would be availability of ammo.

www.ronspomeroutdoors.com

Two 7mm Cartridges You May Not Know — Ron Spomer Outdoors

by Lukas Schulte There is no shortage of .284 inch /.285 inch/7mm caliber rifle cartridges on the market. You probably know the 7mm Remington Magnum, the 7x57mm Mauser, the .280 AI, the .280 Remington, the 7mm WSM, the 7mm-08 Remington, and the .28 Nosler, and four or six others. But how about the
www.ronspomeroutdoors.com www.ronspomeroutdoors.com
 
I have a 280ai with no feed issues and i bought my new brass from Peterson. I believe there are stockists over here as well.
A very fast but soft shooting calibre.
 
hoodwink said:
I have a 280ai with no feed issues and i bought my new brass from Peterson. I believe there are stockists over here as well.
A very fast but soft shooting calibre.
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I love mine. I have components but find it so accurate with Nosler ammo, I struggle to bother loading. Now that e-tip is also being imported, the future is bright. I’m no long range shooter, but have shot steel at 900m with it
 
I shoot 7x64 and have done coming upto 15 years.
Also shot copper all that time through it. 120gr TTSX.
Shot all 6 species with it and continue to do so including boar.
Doesnt smash smaller deer to bits when chest shot and drops reds out to 300 yards. A quality calibre.👍🏻
 
My main deer rifle is a 280, and I love it. The problem is significantly under loaded factory ammo, so if I lived in Britland I'd get a 7x64 and fill it with properly loaded Euro (Norma, RWS, whatever) factory loads and go worry about something else, because that issue is sorted. I'm reloading, so Norma cases and a 162 Amax gets it done for me. I bought 1000 a long time ago and have just opened the last box so soon to look for a replacement. Probably 162 ELDM, but I'm looking at THAC as a possibility too.
 
NullMac said:
This thread has as much value as 308 vs 7.62
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Thing is 308 and 7.62 Nato are different designations for essentially the same cartridge, abd in many ways they are completely interchangeable. Take a 308 rifle and you can feed it on 7.62 Nato ammo and vice versa.

The 280 Remington and 7x64 Brenneke on the other hand are two quite different cartridges developed on different continents but that achieve similar ballistics. They are not interchangeable in any way.

The 7x64 was originally designed around WWI to shoot long 173gn blunt nosed Brenneke bullets at good velocities. It thus has a long throat and standard twist rate of 1 in 8.6”.

Designed in 1957, the 280 Remington or 7mm Express was an American response to the 270 Winchester and shoots a 140gn bullet out of a 1 in 10” twist rate barrel.

And the cartridges are not interchangeable and as far as i know you cannot chamber and fire one in the other.
 
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