Anyone know of any litters, due or ready?
must have all the correct health checks and come from proven Blood Tracking Parents.
must have all the correct health checks and come from proven Blood Tracking Parents.
BMH Pups
- Thread starter Richiee_Nankz_Knivez
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Hi Richie, I am not usually one to open up but in the words of a good friend "This needs saying!" I have a BMH who came from good UK/Polish lines who is now 6 years old. Two years ago he broke his front elbow due to a genetic fault on his bones, that cost me £3000 in vets bills. Frustrating as by then I had him trained to a very high standard and was regularly tracking with him. A year ago he was diagnosed with terminal cancer in his shoulder/spine and as we speak has days if not weeks to go. This has cost a further £2000 not to mention the heartache of loosing what is to me a family member. You can all hate me if you want as i don't care. All BMH in the UK are somehow related due to interbreeding and are therefore sub standard. I am a member of the KBGS and the VH in Germany and have attended my handlers courses over there. The only place my replacement hound will come from is Germany. Save yourself the heartache and either do as i have done and get a proper hound or get a Lab. These breeds really are a minefield .
Good luck and kind regards
Steve
Good luck and kind regards
Steve
Morning,
Not trying to rip your post apart for ass hole paper, but i see so many ''ifs and buts'' for the record the dog is not for me, I'm a GWP man and have been for the past 17 years, i have 3 generations working now, in all aspects of shooting from blood tracking, woodcock, ducks, pointing work as well as picking up 35 days a year, and general all round, and would not have anything else.
I've have had Labs etc and know of many that what your talking about and saying happened to you, has happened and will continue to happen.
when i see 5 month old pups jumping in and out of the back of trucks, 5 times there own height, (that's like you jumping of a house) i explain the long term consequences, but hay what do i know?
I know very littler about the breed, but my friend has turned down the option, due to not have the correct heath checks etc and blood lines.
i also personally know two Trial men who have both won FT that by the age of 9 their winning Labs have gone of their back legs even having very good hip scores.
Ultimately that's why i'm posting this here and not on www.find-me-a-puppy.com, is to get feed back from stalkers who would pay the extra to get the better.
good luck with finding a new hound in Europe and all the best
Not trying to rip your post apart for ass hole paper, but i see so many ''ifs and buts'' for the record the dog is not for me, I'm a GWP man and have been for the past 17 years, i have 3 generations working now, in all aspects of shooting from blood tracking, woodcock, ducks, pointing work as well as picking up 35 days a year, and general all round, and would not have anything else.
I've have had Labs etc and know of many that what your talking about and saying happened to you, has happened and will continue to happen.
when i see 5 month old pups jumping in and out of the back of trucks, 5 times there own height, (that's like you jumping of a house) i explain the long term consequences, but hay what do i know?
I know very littler about the breed, but my friend has turned down the option, due to not have the correct heath checks etc and blood lines.
i also personally know two Trial men who have both won FT that by the age of 9 their winning Labs have gone of their back legs even having very good hip scores.
Ultimately that's why i'm posting this here and not on www.find-me-a-puppy.com, is to get feed back from stalkers who would pay the extra to get the better.
good luck with finding a new hound in Europe and all the best
sikamalc
Administrator
I have been watching this thread with interest.
I have had 2 BMH dogs. Todd was the first, I bought him from a women who had a bitch BMH and was bred with a polish dog in Poland. Todd was a good strong dog and everything one would expect from a BMH. In fact he was if I remember rightly from the first litter to be excepted as a confirmed breed by the Kennel club. Not that this really means anything in the grand scheme of things.
Todd died about 2 years ago. He had been fine, and was 11 years old when he died. He had developed a heart murmur that became serious, he died of a heart attack in the garden.
The bitch we had came from broken home. Long story, which I am not going to elaborate on. But we spent a lot of money on her. It took a good while to put the weight on her. She was 9 months old when we got her, and her tail and ears were terribly infected. We had to have the tail docked in the end to save her. She died suddenly just over a year ago. She had also developed a skin condition which we struggled to control for years.
The bitches are completely different to the dogs in their attitude and manners. They are by their very nature a very loyal breed of dog and their tracking abilities are top notch once trained. They are very head strong dogs, in particular the bitches, dogs are more laid back. But you must be careful with them as you will break them if you are too hard on them.
Would I have another one.......Yes. Just havnt got round to finding one and getting over the loss of Todd I suppose.
They do as a breed have issues. Skin conditions are common with them, and breeding within a small gene pool in the UK is a problem. People started to cross them with Labradors too. Not something I personally agree with.
The comment about finding a good litter from abroad has its merits to be honest. They are not a common breed, and certainly when I got Todd there were almost unheard of in the UK at the time. Like all breeds they have their health issues. I would agree with your comments about checking the litter out and making sure they come from a good line with no issues.
Let me know if you find anything, I might consider getting another one, my only problem is that I will want it to be as good as Todd was. Which will be a tall order in my books.
I have had 2 BMH dogs. Todd was the first, I bought him from a women who had a bitch BMH and was bred with a polish dog in Poland. Todd was a good strong dog and everything one would expect from a BMH. In fact he was if I remember rightly from the first litter to be excepted as a confirmed breed by the Kennel club. Not that this really means anything in the grand scheme of things.
Todd died about 2 years ago. He had been fine, and was 11 years old when he died. He had developed a heart murmur that became serious, he died of a heart attack in the garden.
The bitch we had came from broken home. Long story, which I am not going to elaborate on. But we spent a lot of money on her. It took a good while to put the weight on her. She was 9 months old when we got her, and her tail and ears were terribly infected. We had to have the tail docked in the end to save her. She died suddenly just over a year ago. She had also developed a skin condition which we struggled to control for years.
The bitches are completely different to the dogs in their attitude and manners. They are by their very nature a very loyal breed of dog and their tracking abilities are top notch once trained. They are very head strong dogs, in particular the bitches, dogs are more laid back. But you must be careful with them as you will break them if you are too hard on them.
Would I have another one.......Yes. Just havnt got round to finding one and getting over the loss of Todd I suppose.
They do as a breed have issues. Skin conditions are common with them, and breeding within a small gene pool in the UK is a problem. People started to cross them with Labradors too. Not something I personally agree with.
The comment about finding a good litter from abroad has its merits to be honest. They are not a common breed, and certainly when I got Todd there were almost unheard of in the UK at the time. Like all breeds they have their health issues. I would agree with your comments about checking the litter out and making sure they come from a good line with no issues.
Let me know if you find anything, I might consider getting another one, my only problem is that I will want it to be as good as Todd was. Which will be a tall order in my books.
Purely out of interest, why are you going for a BMH when you have had success with GWP's?
Thanks for the honest reply mate, and losing any dog is hard enough, but when their your stalking companion its even worse, but they don't live forever, as the ever growing dog grave yard in my back garden shows. ( my oldest GWP Bitch is 14 this year and there is no sign's, other than not keeping up with the younger dogs.)
I think for what i hear within the stalking community that there is a really problem with the UK BMH breed, but i'm sure their are litters out there that are fine.
read the post mate, its not for me, i'm quite happy with my GWP.
sikamalc
Administrator
Good luck with it. I would add that I was introduced to the breed from someone I knew in the stalking world many years back. He loved the breed and at the time was the only person I knew, apart from Jan Andrews that had a BMH in the UK.
As has been said all breeds have their issues, Labs, cockers, springers, GWP. Just check the bloodline and any health issues. Good luck and do please let me know if you find a good litter, I might be tempted.
Reading too quickly - got it
Sad to hear this buddy , take care. Good memories never fade !!
Thanks mate, hope your friend finds a good hound too
Got my mate a pup, has all the correct paperwork, jabs, microchip, blood lines etc etc, and information that's required.
So hes happy and looking forward to getting her next week
Thanks for all your im-put lads
So hes happy and looking forward to getting her next week
Thanks for all your im-put lads
cookingfat
Well-Known Member
Ritchie hope your well mate,
give me a ring at some point
you may won't to consider a HS, I have lots of good contacts in Europe and dogs which have the correct papers, allow saying that I have found its what you do with your dog once you get it that really counts, but I think you know that as I have seen you working your wire.
speak soon
TL
give me a ring at some point
you may won't to consider a HS, I have lots of good contacts in Europe and dogs which have the correct papers, allow saying that I have found its what you do with your dog once you get it that really counts, but I think you know that as I have seen you working your wire.
speak soon
TL
Wolverine
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The most important thing that you need on papers of BGS or HS that are correct is this stamp.
If you have not got this stamp.
The papers are not correct and not recognised by the clubs or kennel clubs throughout Europe.
There is only one way to get a dog with this stamp in the UK and that is through UKSHA.
If you have not got this stamp.
The papers are not correct and not recognised by the clubs or kennel clubs throughout Europe.
There is only one way to get a dog with this stamp in the UK and that is through UKSHA.
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