Boar Calibres

[Lateral]

The .270 minimum advisory in the HOG is for an initial grant or variation where the primary 'good reason' for the rifle is to shoot wild boar. It does not apply to previously authorised firearms which already have the AOLQ condition attached.

In the absence of any primary legislation for wild boar common sense should prevail in an individual's choice of calibre/chambering to do the deed.

This, in my opinion, is where the AOLQ condition fails. I feel the .270 recommendation is there for good reason, and I think licenses should be conditioned accordingly. Whether the 270 is accepted as a minimum calibre, is another thing.

When the AOLQ condition was first introduced, "Herts" conditioned licenses for the biggest quarry you had permission for, with the AOLQ condition intended to allow anything below, trying to make sure that the FAC holder had a calibre suitable for the job.

My FAC is conditioned this way, boar, plus AOLQ, and there is no mention of deer. Clearly, whilst their intentions are good, this system is obviously flawed.

Watching You Tube footage of the US using 223's to shoot boar/hogs, and taking up to 4 shots to do the job, I'd hate to see that happening over here, and injured animals running around the countryside, just gives ammunition to the anti's !

 

[NorthDorset]

These aren't quite European Boar. Take a look at the earlier trophy picture.

There are a couple good comments earlier on in this thread. Driven Boar is a different game to stalking Boar or even high seat boar. A larger calibre, heavier bullet does give you some degree of latitude in terms of accuracy on a moving target. Also I have found it has the advantage of being able to cut through cover. I've tended to find myself in woods shooting Boar and the .300WinMag with 180gr Bullets give me some comfort that the bullet will get there.

I'm not sure that a .243 on a driven hunt would be allowed where I have shot nor would I have any comfort that it would do the job.

Boar are tough. Even shot perfectly they have a tendency to make it to cover. Shot badly they will still live for days, show little to no blood trail and be dangerous to follow up.

 

[Orion]

This, in my opinion, is where the AOLQ condition fails. I feel the .270 recommendation is there for good reason, and I think licenses should be conditioned accordingly. Whether the 270 is accepted as a minimum calibre, is another thing......................................................

I tend to look on AOLQ from a glass half full perspective.

The benefits it brings in terms of simplicity and flexibility to both FLDs and their more experienced 'open' FAC holders, who are finally being accorded the ability to make adult decisions on calibre to quarry suitability, far outweigh any perceived disadvantages - and you can never legislate against 'stupid' can you? As we can see from the replies to this and other similar threads the majority of respondents have the right attitude in this respect.

On the other hand, I think the fact that one of the UK's largest wild mammals (possibly the largest?) doesn't already have any specific legislation in place WRT close seasons and minimum velocity and/or energy requirements is a great pity. Do DEFRA etc. really believe this is a temporary problem that is going to go away, or is it time to regard boar in a similar manner to deer and put something (anything!) in place.

 

[Lateral]

Boar are getting shot in the UK weighing in excess off 100kg, according to some reports. I'm not advocating the calibres commonly used for driven boar abroad, but .270 is a good starting point, and would greatly reduce the number of injured animals.

We all know that a perfectly placed shot, even with a smaller calibre will do the job, but why increase the risk, rather than leave some margin for error !


No, you can't 100% legislate against "stupid", but in the same way there are laws to humanely kill deer, there should be the same for boar. "common sense" comes from experience, and knowledge, that open ticket holders will, or should have. New ticket holders may not appreciate the implication of shooting a boar with their recently acquired 222, 223, etc'.

 

[mereside]

Lateral you are right but I doubt many even follow up if there isn't a boar on the deck or good sign to go at, Orion I don't think it will be long before things change regarding boar status, seasons min cal and all that, atb wayne

 

[Lateral]

Lateral you are right but I doubt many even follow up if there isn't a boar on the deck or good sign to go at, Orion I don't think it will be long before things change regarding boar status, seasons min cal and all that, atb wayne

I've decked boar with a 7x64, seen them get up, and run, no blood trail to even follow. What chance of a blood trail with a small calibre ?

I don't like some of the current legislation, any more than anyone else, but "good legislation" should be welcomed !


If only common sense would prevail !!!!

 

[mereside]

That's the thing with boar they tend not to give a good shot site picture even with a large cal so with a smaller cal you will have zero to go at and have a dangerous animal in pain. To my mind boar are here to stay and a well thought out bp is very much needed and has to happen along with proper legislation on calibres to use for animal welfare and safety, only a few months a go a young guy shot a boar under the moon in Germany which ran to cover he followed up after a short wait found a small blood trail and went into the thick trees on his hands and knees only to have the boar rush him and it hit him in the face. He spent some time in the hospital and was very lucky, Atb wayne

 

[finnbear270]

and went into the thick trees on his hands and knees,, Maybe he has Ridgeback in the family tree?

 

[EMcC]

To get a German hunting licence for a National takes a lot of studying and practical examinations, so for a German to go into cover after a wounded Boar on his hands and knees, particularly after dark, takes some believing.
Either an idiot or an urban myth methinks, or thoughts of what could happen if anyone acted in such a way.

 

[mereside]

Not an urban myth I will find the article and post it up

 

[EMcC]

Not an urban myth I will find the article and post it up

I bet he had his Jagd schein taken off of him until he took his exam again.

 

[mereside]

I would think his Jagdschein was the last thing he was thinking about, very lucky indeed, when I was sent this there had been other incidents and somebody had lost their life doing the same. since I started tracking in germany I have seen many pictures of hunters, dogs badly hurt.
http://112-magazin.de/kb-retter/item/19154-vollmond-jäger-wird-von-wildsau-tracktiert

[FONT=&quot]Waldeck-Frankenberg. On a serious altercation between a boar and a hunter did it on Tuesday. A 25-Year-old hunter from the ruhr area was hunting in the hesse precinct of his father. On a game camera at a schwarzwildkirrung since a few weeks ago, was a boar, every night at midnight our deployed the maize. The Hunter used the full moon phase and shelled out from a deer blind with his rifle the boar at around 23.40 o'clock.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]On the shot down the wild boar disappeared in an adjacent spruce preservation. The 25-Year-old then left the pulpit, in order to be considered. Arrived there recognized the hunter tiny drops of sweat in the glow of his flashlight. Without hesitation, the hunter walked and crawled the fichtendickung with box and lamp armed the blood afterwards. When he was about 20 meters off the handle, the boar hunter to the unexpected and wounded him in the arm and face. The Wild Boar but left after a few seconds of the hunter, and was looking for. Bleeding The Hunter was able to save to the car and get help.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The next morning was a resourcing with a sweat dog performed. The Wild Boar was lying in a puddle about 400 meters from the connector, away. The bullet that hit the boar, was on a bone fragmented and had important organs of the boar hurt. According to the father is his injured son on the road to recovery.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Broke into the boar weighed 82 pounds.[/FONT]

 

[Lateral]

and went into the thick trees on his hands and knees,, Maybe he has Ridgeback in the family tree?

"Darwin Award" ?

 

[EMcC]

I very rarely had to track a wounded boar but when I was hunting I always carried a CF pistol just in case. I was very aware of the incidence of Rabies at that time, late sixties and seventies, in the Luneberg Heide area so any damage to me could be very serious indeed..

 

[Boarboy]

I very rarely had to track a wounded boar but when I was hunting I always carried a CF pistol just in case. I was very aware of the incidence of Rabies at that time, late sixties and seventies, in the Luneberg Heide area so any damage to me could be very serious indeed..

hopefully you won't have to track any wounded boar with that lovely 30-06 barrel you've just purchased Eddy!

 

[mereside]

Anyone tracking now if the beasts not found or crossed a boundary then a trained teams called out to do a control and track when nessesary. Even suspected misses with no tracking at night, Atb Wayne

 

[EMcC]

hopefully you won't have to track any wounded boar with that lovely 30-06 barrel you've just purchased Eddy!

Sale fell through for no reason of mine ;-( so will have to make do with the good ole .308 next week in Hungary.

 

[Boarboy]

Sale fell through for no reason of mine ;-( so will have to make do with the good ole .308 next week in Hungary.

I hope you've packed your thermals!!

 

[mereside]

Sale fell through for no reason of mine ;-( so will have to make do with the good ole .308 next week in Hungary.

say hello to the Magyar Vereb Egylet who will do. all the controls for your organised hunt in Hungary,
I will be on the german, Belgium border tracking on the organised hunt there, good luck to you, Atb Wayne

 

[Sanglier 857]

I guess like most things it's a personal choice, if your shooting driven boar, maybe need a little bit more lead, but most driven boar are freislings or Ouberleifers, so normally between 30-70kgs, Sows I try not to shoot, and big Keilers don't really come that often, I use an 8x57jrs Express, with RWS 198grain, and 30-06 with 184grain Evo, love them both, no problems with either, but I am starting to lean more towards 30-06 combination, I used to use 9.3 X 62 wouldn't have said it was any better or any worse really.