I just use the Eliminator unless giving a rifle a really deep clean.
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I just use the Eliminator unless giving a rifle a really deep clean.
I think my friends and I will go with a combination of science and minute manufacturing imperfections found in a great number of barrels but thanks for overlooking my facetious comment.
The deer man
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You can use a nylon brush or mop/patches to soak the Bore Tech cleaner on then you must use a 'Proof Positive' jag to clean it out with patches otherwise as NigelM said will happen.
For tough cleaning you can use Bore Tech Carbon Remover, then use the Bore Tech Copper Solvent.
Once the bad stuff is removed you can use both solvents together 50/50 or use Bore Tech Eliminator which is just a 50/50 mix of both copper and carbon remover. If you keep your rifle regularly cleaned the Bore Tech Eliminator is all you need.
I finish off with Bore Tech Friction Guard which is their synthetic oil which I apply in the barrel and then jag out with a couple of patches.
First shot accuracy!
The deer man
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To add to the USA military using Bore Tech certain British military units are using it now as well.
straightpull6547
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try patching with BBS until clean, dry patch until dry, 2 passes with methylated spirit soaked patch, then 2 dry patches. Throw the brushes away. Works for me in every rifle i’ve had.
Essexsussex
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Thanks Nigel - it will be on my shopping list hen next at the gunshop.
ferretmanabu
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Anyone know how it compares to Wipeout?
Steff
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For carbon removal I am currently stuck on KG-1.
Regardless of which solvent one uses I have found that the use of a bronze brush is mandatory in order to get the job of carbon removal done properly. The culprit here is that one should avoid using solvents which will work on copper fouling together with such brushes as the solvent will eat them away. This is also true for KG-1. Even though it is a designated carbon remover it also dissolves copper.
So my question is, does the Bore Tech C4 Carbon Solvent also do this?
Regardless of which solvent one uses I have found that the use of a bronze brush is mandatory in order to get the job of carbon removal done properly. The culprit here is that one should avoid using solvents which will work on copper fouling together with such brushes as the solvent will eat them away. This is also true for KG-1. Even though it is a designated carbon remover it also dissolves copper.
So my question is, does the Bore Tech C4 Carbon Solvent also do this?
Steff
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Copper shows blue/green in colour if it's present. The darker the shade the more copper has been removed. When you stop seeing blue you know the barrel is clean.
Steff
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Thanks, Nigel, I am aware of that. My question is, does Bore Tech C4 dissolve any of the copper smear in the barrel, which shows as green or blue on the patches or does it really work on the carbon only?
Sorry...
I don't use the Carbon remover. The Eliminator removes both Carbon and Copper and has always done a very good job on the Carbon. I also use their Copper remover when I get a very stubborn Copper problem but have never felt the need to use their dedicated Carbon remover as the Eliminator works so well.
As a result I can't answer your question I'm afraid as I haven't used it.
mchughcb
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It only works on carbon. You may get the faintest of blue but usually not. Carbon C4 gets the fouling crud out but if you have baked on carbon in the barrel you'll need borepaste to remove that one.
mchughcb
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Cleaness does not necessarily equal accuracy. Until you get a borescope and see its all back to steel then I think you find that eliminator doesn't do much except remove slight amounts of power fouling and very limited copper. I used it for two years before I bought a hawkeye after a gunsmith showed me it was very limited ability to remove anything but powder fouling. He used outboard motor carbon cleaners followed by KG12 followed by JB borepaste. When you looked down the barrel they were shiny steel spotless.
Well it works for me and my rifles shoot 1/2 MOA if I do my bit and POI doesn't change after cleaning which is important to me. I'm not here to sell Bore Tech, just share my experience of it.
JB Bore Paste and Bore Shine are different animals. They are abrasives, like cutting compounds. I have only used them a couple of times for second hand guns I have bought. They do a fantastic job of cleaning a barrel but as effectively lapping compounds they do remove steel as well, especially the Bore Paste. Not something to be used regularly as part of a cleaning regime.
JB Bore Paste and Bore Shine are different animals. They are abrasives, like cutting compounds. I have only used them a couple of times for second hand guns I have bought. They do a fantastic job of cleaning a barrel but as effectively lapping compounds they do remove steel as well, especially the Bore Paste. Not something to be used regularly as part of a cleaning regime.
The deer man
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Sorry but this is simply not correct. I imagine the gunsmith wanted to sell you his stocked product!
When using Bore Tech you must use a proof positive jag and nylon brush as NigelM explained. I've seen and heard of people complaining that Bore Tech hasn't removed copper and carbon fouling simply because they haven't used the correct equipment.
I could say RTFM but I'll try and explain again a little better instead. . .
Bore Tech Eliminator is made up of a 50/50 blend of Bore Tech CU+2 Copper remover and Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover. This cleaning solution is designed to remove both copper and carbon and will do so without the need for abrasive and/or corrosive cleaning (which many other ammonia based cleaners are, abrasive and corrosive).
However, as we all know we sometimes can be a bit sloppy with our cleaning regime and fouling can build up to an extent that needs a bit more of a nudge so into play comes. . .
Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover which is a concentrated carbon remover for shifting heavier fouling without the need for anything more than a nylon brush and patches, then. . .
Bore Tech CU+2 Copper remover to remove further heavy copper fouling again with nothing more than a nylon brush and patches.
If the concentrated cleaners are initially needed, once cleaner you can revert back to the Eliminator or just a combination of CU+2 and C4 (which makes Eliminator). Apply and leave for ten minutes and patch out, re-apply and leave to work and patch out. If the barrel is still showing signs of fouling, do it again.
Yes other substance can clean rifle and shotgun bores but Bore Tech is Non-corrosive, Non-toxic and Non-abrasive all good for both rifle and user.
I have now cleaned so many rifles for people using the Bore Tech product I couldn't count anymore but most importantly I've returned them to pinpoint accuracy when the owners have thought their bore shot out!?
It might just be worth pointing out that many Sniper Teams and Special Forces now use Bore Tech as their primary cleaning agent not just in the USA but here in the UK as well and for them accuracy and the first shot counting means a lot more than to the sporting shooter!
The deer man
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You're not kidding! I recently was shown a barrel that literally had no rifling left. The owner had used a bore paste with a bronze brush on an electric drill!!!
Needles to say a new barrel was needed. Bore pastes and 'shiners' need to be used very carefully and sparingly but then why bother when you really don't need to be that agressive???????????
Steff
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I cannot judge on the effectiveness of any of the bore tech products, as I have never used them so far.
But in general I am very close to mchughcb. I also own a hawkeye borescope and haven‘t seen one solvent yet that was capable of getting rid of carbon fouling entirely with the use of only a nylon brush. Other than for copper fouling, which can indeed very effectively be dissolved by using Robla solo.
For carbon I have always seen the need to also employ a bronze brush. Simply judging by the coulor of the patches is fooling you to believe something which may actually not be the case.
I will give C4 a try though. Being almost three times as expensive as KG-1 (which is the best carbon killer I know so far) it should indeed work wonders.
But in general I am very close to mchughcb. I also own a hawkeye borescope and haven‘t seen one solvent yet that was capable of getting rid of carbon fouling entirely with the use of only a nylon brush. Other than for copper fouling, which can indeed very effectively be dissolved by using Robla solo.
For carbon I have always seen the need to also employ a bronze brush. Simply judging by the coulor of the patches is fooling you to believe something which may actually not be the case.
I will give C4 a try though. Being almost three times as expensive as KG-1 (which is the best carbon killer I know so far) it should indeed work wonders.
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