Brine?

Rasputin

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In an effort to make some of the marsh ducks more palatable I tried bringing them in some lemon, sugar and salt mixed with a bit of water.

Tasted bloody awful obviously way too much salt and was as tough as boots.

Does anyone else brine or have some good tips or am I just wasting my time.
 
Have a look on the BBQ forums from the USA, Google will be your friend with this. I don’t know about ducks but I am 100% sure they brine Turkey.
 
Yeah lot less salt than you think you need.

I know Americans "dry cure" goose breasts? mostly a mix of salt and brown sugar and spices this might work a bit better with duck given is another waterfowl?
 
Got plenty of fowl to practice on. Not convinced it will work but willing to give it a go. Hadn’t even thought about a dry cure to be honest.
 
I use brine for making corned beef (recipe here: Make Your Very Own Homemade Corned Beef)
But not for things like duck.
If you want to make duck / goose prosciutto then all you do is place the breasts flesh side down in a tub of normal sea salt for 24 hours and then wash, pat dry and dust in white / black pepper and wrap in muslin cloth and hang in an airy spot for 3-4 weeks.

But, I tried this with Canada goose and it was rank. Absolutely awful - so bad that the dogs didn’t even touch it!!
So I think if you have a duck that tastes like sh!t then you aren’t going to make it any better by curing it.
 
If you like fajitas try slicing duck breast thinly cover with a fajita mix then fast cook on a skillet or wok, lovely with all the trimming.

Ade
 
hank shaw, does alot with game, if he doesnt have a recipe that works id be suprised. im doing his thai red curry with duck tonight
 
I add orange peel and the orange flesh to a brine, though be careful how long it sits for as the enzymes will really tenderise the meat. I do this with turkey at Christmas for 48hrs. A mix of sugar, salt, water, peppercorns, orange peel and orange flesh squeezed into it. Brought to the boil the add ice to cool and wait until room temp before adding the meat
 
I soak the christmas turkey over night with a good handfull of salt rinse off and dry be carefull with the seasoning try buttermilk i use it for rabbits and pheasants
 
If you want to do some charcuterie then see if you can find Michael Ruhlman’s book called charcuterie - it’s very good and has lots of simple recipes to try that taste great.
 
we brine all the white meat that we eat here in a 7% solution, pork chops, belly slices, chicken portions etc for about 6 hours, a whole chicken 8-10 hours, joints of pork or the christmas turkey over night. they all taste much better and are far jucier, never tried duck though, every now and again you will get a wild duck that tastes and smells like shite whatever you do to it
 
Basic brine mix that I use is 5% Sea Salt, 5% Soft Brown Sugar, so 50gm of each per litre, try swapping some of the water for Apple, Orange or Pineapple Juice, Pineapple is very good for tenderising.

Careful how you cook them, you need to either cook them really hot and fast and serve rare to medium (never well done or they will be like shoe leather..), slow cook them for a long time at 85°C as you would Beef Cheek or Shin, or pressure cook them for 40 minutes on High pressure.
The other option is Sous Vide at 56-60°C for 3-4hours, then sear to finish.

You can also buy dry cure mixes, the Smoked Dry Cure works very well, but ideally you need to vacuum pack the breasts with the cure, this creates a sort of Duck Ham.
 
Im not really sold on brines, if you're cooking your meat properly there is no reason for any lean meat to be dry.

Adding water into the meat isn't something I really want, nor does it lead to moistness in the meat (dispite the vast amount of articles you see about Thanks Giving turkey saying otherwise).

As we all know moistness comes from intramuscular fat (triglycerides) in cuts of meat, thats why over cooked chicken (although submerged in liquid) in the slow cooker is dry.

Brining barely puts any flavour into meats apart from salt, so from a flavouring standpoint its also pretty pointless if the duck you had wasn't very palatable to begin with.

As for making meat more tender....see the first point, dont over cook it and dont buy poor quality meat (I know yours weren't store bought @Rasputin I was just generalising for the reasons people brine).
 
Im not really sold on brines, if you're cooking your meat properly there is no reason for any lean meat to be dry.

Adding water into the meat isn't something I really want, nor does it lead to moistness in the meat (dispite the vast amount of articles you see about Thanks Giving turkey saying otherwise).

As we all know moistness comes from intramuscular fat (triglycerides) in cuts of meat, thats why over cooked chicken (although submerged in liquid) in the slow cooker is dry.

Brining barely puts any flavour into meats apart from salt, so from a flavouring standpoint its also pretty pointless if the duck you had wasn't very palatable to begin with.

As for making meat more tender....see the first point, dont over cook it and dont buy poor quality meat (I know yours weren't store bought @Rasputin I was just generalising for the reasons people brine).
No it doesn't...
When meat protein is cooked it can lose around 30% of it's weight as moisture evaporates or is expelled by the protein contracting and squeezing out the fluid in the cells.
Resting the meat after cooking allows the protein to relax and suck some of the moisture back in.
Brining helps prevent this, the salt in the solution is absorbed to achieve equilibrium with the brining solution through osmosis and diffusion.
This means the meat absorbs some of the extra water and retains it whilst cooking, resulting in a moister/juicier texture.
The salt also starts to dissolve proteins in the muscles structure and cells so the meat is more tender.
The salt and aromatics within the brine also season the meat from inside to out, ie. the flavourings actually pass through the cell walls into the salt/sugar/protein solution inside the cells, so you are not just seasoning the outside of the meat.
Overcooked meat is dry because the protein structure within it contracts as it is heated and expels the liquid held within the cells.
Intramuscular fat plays no part in the moistness of lean meat as it is present in such small quantities as to be insignificant.
Try Sous Vide cooking two chicken breasts at 60°c for 80 minutes, (this is long enough to pasteurise and kill pathogens in a 50mm thick breast), one breast has been brined for 6 hours in a 5% Salt solution and one hasn't.
Both breasts need to be weighed prior to cooking and after, and the post cooking weight subtracted from the pre cooked weight, this gives the amount of moisture lost, as the breasts are cooked in a sealed vacuum pouch no moisture is lost through evaporation.
The difference in moisture content between the brined and non brined breast can be up to 20%, typically it will be around 10 - 15%, with the non brined breast having lost the most moisture.
 
No it doesn't...
When meat protein is cooked it can lose around 30% of it's weight as moisture evaporates or is expelled by the protein contracting and squeezing out the fluid in the cells.
Brining helps prevent this, the salt in the solution is absorbed to achieve equilibrium with the brining solution through osmosis and diffusion.
This means the meat absorbs some of the extra water and retains it whilst cooking, resulting in a moister/juicier texture.
The salt also starts to dissolve proteins in the muscles structure and cells so the meat is more tender.
The salt and aromatics within the brine also season the meat from inside to out, ie. the flavourings actually pass through the cell walls into the salt/sugar/protein solution inside the cells, so you are not just seasoning the outside of the meat.
Overcooked meat is dry because the protein structure within it contracts as it is heated and expels the liquid held within the cells.
Intramuscular fat plays no part in the moistness of lean meat as it is present in such small quantities as to be insignificant.
Try Sous Vide cooking two chicken breasts at 60°c for 80 minutes, (this is long enough to pasteurise and kill pathogens in a 50mm thick breast), one breast has been brined for 6 hours in a 5% Salt solution and one hasn't.
Both breasts need to be weighed prior to cooking and after, and the post cooking weight subtracted from the pre cooked weight, this gives the amount of moisture lost, as the breasts are cooked in a sealed vacuum pouch no moisture is lost through evaporation.
The difference in moisture content between the brined and non brined breast can be up to 20%, typically it will be around 10 - 15%, with the non brined breast having lost the most moisture.


You still dont need to brine for moistness, just dont overcook your food.
 
You still dont need to brine for moistness, just dont overcook your food.
You don't have to brine, but it can improve the final product, better mouthfeel, increased tenderness, more moistness and flavour, but the basic premise of your argument against brining is fundamentally flawed, the moisture doesn't come from fat in lean cuts of meat.
 
You don't have to brine, but it can improve the final product, better mouthfeel, increased tenderness, more moistness and flavour, but the basic premise of your argument against brining is fundamentally flawed.


We wont agree on this but better mouth feel in food comes from fats, not water, like I said about the slow cooker.
 
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