Cant decide

Kelvin
just to make it clear for those that hav just purchased a lab or thinking of one
Labs being a big dog DO NOT need lots of exercise to keep them fit,
They need regular exercise
which should be monitored from a pup like with most working dogs to help prevent cruciate and shoulder problems
Labs are not built to run all day like some dogs can, totally different genetic make up
but also you need to remember, the more you exercise your dog the fitter it gets, which can only mean one thing
It will keep needing more exercise to satisfy it's fitness levels which in turn could cause more harm than good
weight and health issuses are more regulated by feed than exercise
As for size comparison related fitness Cockers are small dogs that keep busy, but may need 10 times the exercise that a Lab needs so it can cope with a full days work in the field
Exercise is like you say relative to the type or breed of dog, but not to the size
ATB

As an approximate 5 mins walk per month as a pup ie 6 months old 30 mins walk a day is the guidelines I was recommended for larger breeds of dog, will help prevent muscles growing to quick while their bones and joints are still developing and hopefully will help to stop having joint problems in later life.
 
The idea that labs are soft and easy to train is true but of course there are always harder lines in fact the trialing world has come on and the standard is so high that they can all do it to a certain extent. Trialers are now looking for harder dogs that are faster and more stylish so depending on the line you choose will make a lot of differance. I have 2 Bitches that will fall asleep between picking things up but a dog that is very bidderble but will stop for nothing. If I was looking for a full time deer dog his would be the line I would go for and both the sire and dam are field trial champions.

Mark
 
You are correct stone in your last 2 posts but if I may intercede on big yan's behalf,I think he is angling at the fact that if you have a pedigree full of FTCh that is no guarantee of success on deer,it can make your obedience work easier but it won't guarantee you success on deer.Then though can anyone,seeing as pups from the same litter can be vastly different.Also as field trials are on game not deer I presume he is saying this but then again presumption is the root of all evil.You pays yer money you take yer chance.There is never any guarantees with dogs,you can stack the odds in your favour but no guarantees

Of course you may intercede on Big yan's behalf :D
If that is what direction Big yan was angling towards then he is absolutely correct, but the same also goes for any other breeding or breed linage for any breed of dog

as you say "you pays yer money and takes yer chance" and never a truer phrase when it comes to choosing a pup,
By choosing the right lines for the type of dog you are after can only help I feel
we hav currently 6 working labs of which are of FTCh breeding but never trialled , at the peak of last year we had 9, sadly we hav lost some
all of those apart from 1 (peggy as she had CNM, whom we sadly lost last week) would or will work deer , all hav worked a blood trail , even peggy did at one stage :shock:, but she did hav natural aggression and escaped into the paddock where I had layed a blood trail for another dog, she beat us to it:doh:
Of the 9 labs 3 would bring down and carry fox & muntjac back and hav done where and when needed I feel atleast another 2 would of done the same if given the chance

I don't class them as the best deer dogs in the world but they hav prooved in the past their true worth , which is what I would say is what we all want from our dog
and at that point I shall add the training given from puppyhood should form the basis for when you really need it from your dog at a later stage
ATB
 
As an approximate 5 mins walk per month as a pup ie 6 months old 30 mins walk a day is the guidelines I was recommended for larger breeds of dog, will help prevent muscles growing to quick while their bones and joints are still developing and hopefully will help to stop having joint problems in later life.

Gareth
thank you for that info
btw
How are the ridge's coming on??
 
Trialers are now looking for harder dogs that are faster and more stylish .......

Easily solved, get a Chesapeake Bay Retriever. Not the easiest dogs to train but nothing touchest them - the hardest and strongest dogs working.

However, (here's the rub) my father's dog died so i took him along to the kennels at Drumlanrig Castle and picked him up a lab pup. Now my father has to be one of the most lazy, disorganised trainers there are, but that dog must have been pre-programmed whilst still in the bitch's belly. Nothing is a too much bother for that dog; he waves his arm in a general direction whilst muttering one of his many curses, the dog instinctively understand what he wants and does it immediately and without fuss. That bloody dog makes him look good!
I once checked it's papers - 39 Field Champions. The dog is barely 2 ands already folks are asking for it to cover their bitches. It almost makes me want one - almost.
 
Scotsgun this is what happens when you buy quality.Stone as you say it's all in the bringing on of the dogs,a bit of aggression in a lab=a bloody good deer dog.All my dogs and bitches have a strong trialling background and as far as I'm concerned it makes the training of them easier.Anything that makes life easier has to be better.All my dogs have30+ FTCH and my bitch was from a breeder who trials and never ever had a pup that worked with deer as he said when I bought her,I don't know how she will turn out,took my time with her and hey presto a real decent deer dog.It's all in the training,incidentally she was very very eager to please and biddable,all of my dogs are different and the way you bring them on should reflect as much,I mean we are all different,so are our dogs:thumb:
 
Gareth
thank you for that info
btw
How are the ridge's coming on??

Coming on great, weighed in at 48kg's and 39kg's at 8 months, not an ounce of fat on them and looking good proportioned dogs. The smaller of two is scenting and pointing deer whilst we are out walking close to home. So I'm hoping to try and train him when/IF he clams down a bit, the other one is more interested in feathered game, thats when he can be bothered to get off the sofa, out his crate or away from the radiators.

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Gareth why dont you tell stone about you running them to lumps on my deer(ha ha ha ) Not quite the poachers dogs yet:rofl:

Them dogs look bloody good;)
 
Gareth why dont you tell stone about you running them to lumps on my deer(ha ha ha ) Not quite the poachers dogs yet:rofl:

Them dogs look bloody good;)

They don't run, one just points, shakes and give out a small whine, while the other one sits down wondering what all the fuss is about.

Ta, trying not to let them grow to quick, balanced diet, controlled exercise and tuna fish and toast for supper :shock:
 
how are ya buddy..
guess who this is. i have just registered so i can check out some of the stories on here

give me a buz when you are ready to go for a shot again.
 
hi lads, im going to be in a position soon where i'll be able to have a dog. I am looking a good worker for tracking deer. I have heard many people saying not to touch certain breeds, but i would prefer if you's could all voice your opinions and give me advice, before its too late! I will only be able to go stalking every couple of weeks, however i will be out for 2-3days at a time! I dont really want to get a dog that requires constant working as this just wont suit me as i have other commitments. I would appreciate it if you all could get in touch with your advice and experiences!!:)
dnt get a gwp they require 100% input,
 
Hello all, new on here and have just read this thread with a lot of intrest as im also looking for a new dog for deer.

Not wanting to jump in on gentleman jims thread but is there anyone here that uses hungarian viszla's and their views on these dogs?
 
Hello all, new on here and have just read this thread with a lot of intrest as im also looking for a new dog for deer.

Not wanting to jump in on gentleman jims thread but is there anyone here that uses hungarian viszla's and their views on these dogs?

I think 6pointer may be along in a minute:D
 
just for you Gareth
not quite the depth of snow you had, but it was something to play in
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but this is her favourite position:lol:

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she would of made a cracking deer dog in my opinion but makes an even better guard dog;)
 
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