Cant decide

[gentleman jim]

Hi Stephen
Yes I read the same book I think, I did use this method then progressed to just the lead, then lead lay on his back (not holding it) and then no lead.

I've kept him just on deer but he hunts anything from a mouse upwards when tearing about with the springers at home, he's mustard on moles the missus wastes hours watching him he points for ages then jumps on them like an artic fox.
The other day he was flat out by the side of the quad bike we were both doing about 26mph when he stopped dead and went onto point on a pheasant, some nose.

When out I've encouraged him not to point deer as I dont want him stopping all the time but he just indicates by lifting his head high and sniffing the air.
He still go's onto full point on pheasants at home but seems to know to ignore them while stalking. Had lots of problems getting him off point with a very tame squirrel the other day

the more i read about your dog the more i want one of my own!
he's doing everything that i want my own dog to do!
he's a cracker mate

 

[countrryboy]

My other top tip would be when u decide on a breed (althou i'm thinking wayne has almost convinced u, sounds and looks a cracking dog wayne.) is to buy of a breeder/trainer who does work them on deer that u hit it off with. That way when u get the odd training hiccup u have someone u can pick up the phone too who know's the breed and can give u a bit off advice and get it sorted.
It would also be worth paying slightly more for the 'aftersales' type advice/service esp with ur first dog, remeber u hopefully will have it for 10+ years so an extra 100 or so is nothing if u get the dog u want,

I would also reccommend going to a professional trainer (do they exist in this country for deer dogs?) for a group session or individual (or basc type deer dog course) money doesn't guarantee a good dog but if u learn how to train it using other folks mistakes u will hopoefuly make less off ur own and end up with a dog like waynes or sika malcs(it's a cracking dog to stalk with) which would make stalking a pleasure. i see plenty off ill trained mutts on the shooting field and 10 years with 1 of them would be like a life sentance, would prob give up shooting and even more so with a stalking dog. Put the time and work in and u'll end up wi a good dog

 

[WAYNE DAVIES]

Cheers chap's nice comments.

Countryboy has given some sound advice there.

I stalked with "Max's" grandmother and that was what sold me on the breed.

Put the time and work in and u'll end up wi a good dog

This is spot on, but its not as much as you think, depends on the dog but I only spend about 15 mins a day training with a pup (EVERY DAY)

IMHO the key is to get the basics sit, stay and come here, NEVER let your dog get away these simple commands no need to nag him but if you make a command make sure he does it. Unless your looking to get to field trial standard they will learn the rest themselves with experience.

(blood railing I would consider a different lesson)

Good luck I hope you get sorted.

Wayne

 

[gentleman jim]

thanks everyone for all your reply's.
i have got lots of great answers and imformation off you's
i'll keep you's all imformed on which dog i get

ATB
GJ

 

[stalkinginengland]

Hello
I am taking from a dog training view point and as someone who has run over 20 training days and trials for retreivers and HPR breeds this year alone.
A bitch lab from good working stock would take some beating. Lovely house pet born half trained will fall asleep under the high seat. Good with kids. On the 8th day god created the Black Lab.

Mark

 

[fieldgun]

dogs

TE=gentleman jim;150034]Perhaps information from The German Hunting Dogs Association UK might help towards your decision.[/QUOTE]

Thanks[/QUOTE]
Jim

It is simple a bmh is a first class house dog a first class tracking dog easy to train and you dont need the same time you need to exercise that you do for a gun dog, but I am sure you will hear from alot of experts.

 

[stone]

Hello
I am taking from a dog training view point and as someone who has run over 20 training days and trials for retreivers and HPR breeds this year alone.
A bitch lab from good working stock would take some beating. Lovely house pet born half trained will fall asleep under the high seat. Good with kids. On the 8th day god created the Black Lab.

Mark

Made my Day

 

[fieldgun]

stone
Good dog 4 birds but I dont need to tell you how much exercise they need, best use a dog breed for the job and to leave them to what they are best at.

 

[Wolverine]

stone
Good dog 4 birds but I dont need to tell you how much exercise they need, best use a dog breed for the job and to leave them to what they are best at.

A lab trails pretty well Kelvin,in fact turn it around what else can your Bavarian do but track,labs are like pointers,can do it all.mine just do deer,however always wanted a Bavarian or hanovarian just to see first hand how good they are.My labs would pretty much do all the above can on deer.Yes I know it's a bold statement but I am slightly bias.Go with whatever breed you fancy as long as it's from working stock and health checked.

 

[stone]

stone
Good dog 4 birds but I dont need to tell you how much exercise they need, best use a dog breed for the job and to leave them to what they are best at.

Kelvin
just out of interest a couple of questions if I may
How much exercise does a dog need???
and
what is a Lab best at??

Wolverine
not a bold statement, but an honest and true one

 

[Stringer]

I think Colin has made a very wise choice this very evening................I'll leave him to tell you about it. Pleasure to meet him and his beter half tonight.

 

[Wolverine]

Kelvin
just out of interest a couple of questions if I may
How much exercise does a dog need???
and
what is a Lab best at??

Wolverine
not a bold statement, but an honest and true one

Stone,spot on.Labs are a lot more sedate than pointers,don't know about the hounds but been told they are a bit more head strong,specially on scent!Labs should not be over-exercised specially as pups!!!Labs are best at DEER,mine are the mutts nuts on them,like wolves but controlled ones,always keen to please,so Kelvin if you could please eLABorate on what a Bavarian can do what labs can't,bear in mind I've had deer shot 48 hrs prior and been called out with my labs and found said deer alive and wounded badly.ATB,

 

[Wolverine]

Hope he has bought one o your pups stringer

 

[Stringer]

Hope he has bought one o your pups stringer

Say no more

 

[stone]

I think Colin has made a very wise choice this very evening................I'll leave him to tell you about it. Pleasure to meet him and his beter half tonight.

Excellent news

Really pleased for them both
I don't think they will be dissapointed either

 

[Wolverine]

Well bred and health checked,strong dash of FTCh for bidability and Scottish,what more could someone ask for

 

[Stringer]

Well bred and health checked,strong dash of FTCh for bidability and Scottish,what more could someone ask for

Sums it up nicely that man

 

[gentleman jim]

picking the pup

well lads, yes there is some good news! Was over in glasgow there with the other half at the weekend and made a little trip down to meet Stringer and his family.
Must say very nice fella including his family. We had a good long chat about stalking etc, much to the annoyance of my other half, who at this stage has to listen to me repeat every stalk about 4 times! Think she is getting itchy feet to start the pigeon shootingWe went out and had a look at his pups and I have to say I would have definately taken more than 1 if the other half wasnt there .
Great strong pups for the age of them after alot of deliberation we settled on the little bitch. Although there is nothing really little about her . We are more than pleased with the newcomer and cant wait to collect her in a few weeks.
When I get a few photos of her I will be posting straight away to give you folk a look and you might even want one yourselves!!

Cheers Stringer!!

 

[stalkinginengland]

The main thing about the breed is the gene pool is in the main very good where as with the HPRs in the main very poor. There are some very good HPRs out there but this is only a fraction of the total. I have seen around 80 run in trials and training days here this year and would give kennel space to about 5. Of the labs out of 100+ run here this year I would be happy to take on 95%. That said 1 of the only good ones is now in pup so if anyone out there is interested in a GWP out of an open stake bitch that holds a point for hours and has a wonderful nose I can give you the details.
The question was what would be best and I reckon that if its a first dag then a lab. Get that sorted and then move on from there if you feel the need to.

Mark

 

[Bestman]

What breed were the other 4 HPRs bunwell?