capstan winch

[tony rentokil]

Looking at a getting a capstan winch,,until I saw the price,,wow,,,
cannot see why so much,,I bought a horse for less,,,
Any ideas
Tony.

 

[caorach]

Yeah, take the horse with you stalking

Couldn't resist, sorry, but I'd looked as well and was amazed at the price. Even the Tirfor hand winches seem extremely expensive, at least to me, for what they offer.

 

[tony rentokil]

Thanks Caorach,,,
Difficult to tie the horse to the roof rack for the 5 hour drive to Scotland,and the rear wiper struggles to cope..

 

[caorach]

This is a little bit different from exactly what you asked but assuming this is for deer recovery then I know a chap who recovered the occasional red deer and who managed to buy up a job lot of decent rope from British Telecom who were selling it in something like 500 yard lengths. It wasn't super amazingly strong, but he found it was strong enough to drag out a red deer. He got himself some sort of block and tackle arrangement with a very high mechanical advantage and ran out the rope to the deer. He said that it was important to get as much of it off the ground as possible and so would secure his gear as high up a tree as he could reach. Now it all sounds a bit of a faff to me but on the other hand if you have a dead deer that you can't move at all then it is progress. He said that he just threw the rope away once it was used, he bought quite a few drums of it and only shot the occasional red.

I know it is a pretty strange approach, with lots of serious limitations, but maybe it will give you some ideas.

 

[mark@mbb]

I have one on the front of my L200 and one that fits on the towbar ball

 

[devon deer stalker]

This is a little bit different from exactly what you asked but assuming this is for deer recovery then I know a chap who recovered the occasional red deer and who managed to buy up a job lot of decent rope from British Telecom who were selling it in something like 500 yard lengths. It wasn't super amazingly strong, but he found it was strong enough to drag out a red deer. He got himself some sort of block and tackle arrangement with a very high mechanical advantage and ran out the rope to the deer. He said that it was important to get as much of it off the ground as possible and so would secure his gear as high up a tree as he could reach. Now it all sounds a bit of a faff to me but on the other hand if you have a dead deer that you can't move at all then it is progress. He said that he just threw the rope away once it was used, he bought quite a few drums of it and only shot the occasional red.

I know it is a pretty strange approach, with lots of serious limitations, but maybe it will give you some ideas.

Its called BT draw rope, breaking strain of 1 Ton, but it is a lot less than that, when i have used it to pull stags on my tow bar it always broke, i use a climbing rope now.
I have been seriously thinking of getting a capstan winch though, it would pay for itself in a short time as the amount of red deer i have left as i would struggle to get them out would amount to the £1k required.
Cheers
Richard

 

[8x57]

This is a little bit different from exactly what you asked but assuming this is for deer recovery then I know a chap who recovered the occasional red deer and who managed to buy up a job lot of decent rope from British Telecom who were selling it in something like 500 yard lengths. It wasn't super amazingly strong, but he found it was strong enough to drag out a red deer. He got himself some sort of block and tackle arrangement with a very high mechanical advantage and ran out the rope to the deer. He said that it was important to get as much of it off the ground as possible and so would secure his gear as high up a tree as he could reach. Now it all sounds a bit of a faff to me but on the other hand if you have a dead deer that you can't move at all then it is progress. He said that he just threw the rope away once it was used, he bought quite a few drums of it and only shot the occasional red.

I know it is a pretty strange approach, with lots of serious limitations, but maybe it will give you some ideas.

"bit of a faff" that's one hell of an understatement caorch.

 

[2130martin]

This is a little bit different from exactly what you asked but assuming this is for deer recovery then I know a chap who recovered the occasional red deer and who managed to buy up a job lot of decent rope from British Telecom who were selling it in something like 500 yard lengths. It wasn't super amazingly strong, but he found it was strong enough to drag out a red deer. He got himself some sort of block and tackle arrangement with a very high mechanical advantage and ran out the rope to the deer. He said that it was important to get as much of it off the ground as possible and so would secure his gear as high up a tree as he could reach. Now it all sounds a bit of a faff to me but on the other hand if you have a dead deer that you can't move at all then it is progress. He said that he just threw the rope away once it was used, he bought quite a few drums of it and only shot the occasional red.

I know it is a pretty strange approach, with lots of serious limitations, but maybe it will give you some ideas.

Bob the FCS Ranger on Arran has a set up like this.Works for him....

 

[Tom D]

Were you looking at the petrol one? I have one for tree work. It's ok for pulling the odd tree over and quite handy overall. But they are about a grand I think.
if you have a chainsaw you could get a Lewis winch Lewis Winch Portable Chainsaw Winch, Snatch Block Multi Drill

 

[Klenchblaize]

Looks the dogs dangly bits but not comfortable with leaving circa £1K's worth of gear unattended in the truck!



K

 

[jackfish]

Warn 910500 500lb Drill Winch

Not a lot of line on this one but might be worth looking at.

 

[Treedave]

Warn 910500 500lb Drill Winch

Not a lot of line on this one but might be worth looking at.[/QUOTE

Worth looking at that price, put a rope clamp on the end of the wire and just do 9m at a time then slide the clamp back along the rope. Not the fastest way to cover 100m but at 15% of the price i could live with it. Also smaller and lighter to carry in, although you might have to invest in a few batteries for really long pulls.

 

[howa243]

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[nun_hunter]

Assuming you're not shooting for profit (ie selling the whole deer to game dealer) then why not just pack out the meat like the Kiwis or Americans/Canadians do?

 

[jimmy milnes]

I never knew people shot deer then left them because they'd struggle to get them out!
Ken.

I read that as that he didn't shoot because of hard extraction

 

[devon deer stalker]

I read that as that he didn't shoot because of hard extraction

Yes thanks Jimmy, i should have been clearer, i would never shoot a deer i could not extract, even if that meant quartering etc onsite.
Cheers
Richard

 

[User00014]

No deer is worth your back, that I will assure you

red deer have bu@@ered mine twice now.

 

[Orion]

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Strangely expensive for Askari!

Orion Forestry as previpously posted on SD are £1150.80 (inc vat) with free carriage for SD members: http://www.orionforestry.co.uk/portable-winch/portable-winch-pcw3000/

 

[Klenchblaize]

No deer is worth your back, that I will assure you

red deer have bu@@ered mine twice now.

+1

Some fallow are absolute barstewards too.

K

 

[countrryboy]

It depends on the distances u need to extract, I've seen threads on here asking about 100m plus off rope, its fairly unrealistic to handle/manage working with 100m lengths of rope. It can be done but unless very steep/heavy I'd probably opt to struggle on rather than unroll/roll the rope

For just occasional deer it is a lot of cash to buy a capstan, also even carrying the capstan to where its needed would be a separate journey to motor and back

With block and tackles its simple physics/maths, every time u double the rope up u half the effort to move the weight but have to pull on the rope twice the distance.
So if u had a 100kg deer to move up a 10m steep hill, doubling the rope once it would feel like 50kg but u'd have to pull 20m's of rope (another loop 25kg and 40m).

U can buy cheap lug-all types winches from aldi etal cheap, don't get a lot of rope with them thou.
Ucan buy tirfor copies now that are very good, the 800kg model would be plenty, (must admit never used an 800) but the 1600 is getting heavier again the 30m wire rope can be a pita to deal with, the 3200 are heavy to carry any distance.
But a 1600 would be able to self rescue a stuck 4x4

Simple common sense things like putting deer into a sledge, lifting as much as possible of ground raising block/winch as high as possible
If u needed to use a block and tackle up a steep bit u can also redirect where u pull the rope with a quad on top of the banking, or if ur really struggling walk down the banking with the rope and use the bankings steepness to help u
Even in forestry there now putting cones over tree butts when whinching/skidding them out to try and stop them snagging on things and reducing drag