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I have a Gevarm E1 takedown rifle wit a red dot scope- to the anti gun crew, this would probably mean that I have unfullfilled dreams of becoming an assassin!

I had the Unique equivalent. The X-51bis with the dedicated 'scope and the Unique moderator plus the factory carrybag for when it was taken down. And...talking of snipers' kit....the French CIGN did actually use them. French stuff, like you Gevarm, is a bit "of its kind" and not quite like anybody else's. Is it the version that has the distinctive firing pin strike?
 
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Correct Enfield - the 'firing pin' is milled from the bolt, and causes a double strike on the round. The rifle shoots from an open bolt, so, when the bolt is closed, is actually safer than when open, in direct contrast to others, such as the 10/22.
 
I also have the original box and paperwork, scope, and inserts for the iron sights.
Apparently it is a quite sought after piece of kit in the US and Canada.
 
I also have the original box and paperwork, scope, and inserts for the iron sights.
Apparently it is a quite sought after piece of kit in the US and Canada.

Yes they are . The Gevarms are well made 22's that have always been popular , but are getting hard to find these days .

AB
 
Yes I know the coment wouldnt win me any love in this crowd but it remains a genuine concern.

It was highlighted when I put a Arc Angel stock on my 10/22 as I am left handed and the pistol grip was easier to use. It probably the only rifel I own which always has the mod attached as well

My daughter whos used to seeing my several other rifles and shot guns, instantly declared it as scary looking.

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People whos counter is I should take up knitting should go get a life. If I say I don't like hard core rap music does that meen I should not listen to any music? But its the masognay violence rape and drugs in the content that people like Tipper Goore use as a tool to tar all rap music with the same brush.

Kids are desensatised to it and think we old folk are idiots

In the gun community are desensatised to the effect a supposedly legal fire arm like this:

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has on people who see it

While I understand , and respect your opinion Chasey , I can't agree with it . As you point out , a lot of young , and not so young people , are desensitized to the violent and misogynistic content of some music . It has become part of modern culture . When all your friends are listening to it , and you're being bombarded by social media constantly , it becomes the new norm .
Unfortunately , this is also the same situation we face in the firearms community . Watch any major news network , here or the UK , and the subtle , or not , depictions of firearms becomes quite obvious . In this country , whenever a firearms crime occurs , the news anchor will somberly describe a robbery with a firearm involved , while a picture of an AK47 is portrayed on screen behind him . The fact that the firearm involved is usually a cut down sporting rifle or shotgun isn't mentioned , to them , it isn't relevant . My point being , and I say this respectfully , your daughter and yourself have been influenced by media , mainstream and otherwise , portrayals of firearms . As you point out , your 10/22 is a common sporting rifle and looks quite benign in it's original trim . But somehow it's magically transformed into a threatening object because of the addition of some plastic parts ? It's the same rifle , but because of conditioning by the new cultural influences , it has become the object of fear and anxiety . In short , it's not the rifle , it's you .

AB
 
This debate over what makes a rifle or any other firearm especially dangerous, or what is or is not an "Assault rifle", was had extensively in America when Clinton wanted to introduce a ban. A black plastic stock ? I had a winchester model 70 and a remington 700 with black plastic stocks, were they assault rifles ? A flash hider/muzzle brake ? I know a chap with a bolt action Westley richards .375 h&h with a muzzle brake, is that an assault rifle ? A large magazine ? I have a .22 cz bolt action with a large magazine, its not an assault rifle. Being semi-automatic ? Plenty of blue steel and walnut firearms are semi-auto, they are again not assault rifles.

In fact in the American debate, it was never clearly defined what made an assault rifle, or evil black rifle.
 
This debate over what makes a rifle or any other firearm especially dangerous, or what is or is not an "Assault rifle", was had extensively in America when Clinton wanted to introduce a ban. A black plastic stock ? I had a winchester model 70 and a remington 700 with black plastic stocks, were they assault rifles ? A flash hider/muzzle brake ? I know a chap with a bolt action Westley richards .375 h&h with a muzzle brake, is that an assault rifle ? A large magazine ? I have a .22 cz bolt action with a large magazine, its not an assault rifle. Being semi-automatic ? Plenty of blue steel and walnut firearms are semi-auto, they are again not assault rifles.

In fact in the American debate, it was never clearly defined what made an assault rifle, or evil black rifle.

Exactly . That's the problem we face , the ground is always shifting . The different groups who want firearms banned or severely restricted aren't silly . Terrify the masses with pictures of "assault rifles " and then get rid of them , next , it's handguns or shotguns that have a mag tube that holds more than two rounds . Then it's on to high tech " Sniper " rifles , they're meant to kill at over 300 yards you know , GASP . In Canada we went down this road and , for the time being at least , managed to win with logic and common sense . But we never fool ourselves into thinking we've won . It is a never ending struggle against baseless fear and prejudice . All of us are in the same boat . As I said earlier , only a fool would think that my sporting rifle will be safe , I'm not like those Rambo wannabe's , here that type of thinking is refered to as a Fudd , as in Elmer Fudd . To those who want firearms and hunting gone , we are exactly the same in their eyes . Stand together or hang alone , and I think that's all I'll say on this subject , I've been down this road to many times over the years .

AB
 
In some respects, we don't help our own cause with terminology in common use amongst shooters such as "It's a Tactical rifle" or "Tactical Scope". Perhaps language like "Practical" is more fitting, but to coin phrases from what were originally USA police or military inspired uses does us no favours, despite a majority of such firearms being used at ranges for fun or for competition. It fuels public misunderstanding and debate. Having a scope graduated in Mils and with turrets in Mils, does not make it "Tactical", it makes it "practical". Having a rifle with a 10 shot mag and larger picatinny rail, useful for things like NV, and blacked out does not make it "Tactical" but if vermin control at distance or at night is considered, makes it "practical". I have some empathy with the avoidance of misogynistic influences in society, and our hardening of attitudes and hearts towards things that only a generation or so ago were considered shocking or unacceptable. It shows a gradual decline in society, NOT improved tolerance. That's a false premise for these sorts of things and its media and communications that have fuelled this secularised intolerance of standards. We, as a shooting community, I do think have some responsibility to hold our standards above such things instead of using common society standards as a yardstick to be measured.

Personally, I have no problem with firearms in use with add on bits of plastic, blacked out, Ceracoated, "flat Earth" coloured or whatever and clearly can see their appeal, practicality and uses be that practical competition, target, or vermin control etc. I do have a problem when some start referring to their rifles as a "tactical rig" when the nearest that they'll ever get to using it as such is punching paper at their 100yd range. Their good reason and use partly describes the rifle and no-one in the UK, holding an FAC has a rifle with "Tactical use" as their good reason. Paid up mercs in Iraq, yes; HM forces soldiers, yes. We shouldn't restrict the use of such firearms but simply avoid controversy by avoiding labels which in the public mind pigeon hole firearms in the public imagination to be designed for and used for one purpose which in their minds eye is military or "S.W.A.T." related. Possibly a different debate to the one above, but closely related.

I do agree with Alberta boy and others that the ground is always shifting and those seeking control or bans aren't daft, and for that reason, the term "stand together or hang together" rings true. Part of our responsibility, both individual and collectively is to do more to educate. Only recently, I was asked on a variation why I wanted "that weapon". I almost banged my head off the wall, since I do have a problem with the terminology adopted by the police, instead of the term "firearm". It was, apparently, down to me to explain the ballistic advantages in laymans terms, so if the very people vetting our "good use" aren't clued up, how the heck do we expect the rest of society being clued up? Our defence and reasoning has to lay in our own understanding, which has to be methodical, logical and expert when we explain and defend these things. Good reason means just that, with the emphasis on "Good". It's about swinging public perception, not getting defensive and throwing walls up or toys out of prams.
 
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