Creed moor barrel length???

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Interesting. My 6.5 Creed turned out to be 22" instead of the 24" advertised which was a bit disappointing. Haven't bothered taking it back despite not yet firing a shot.

Keen to know what velocities I'll be achieving with RS62 if someone can provide an indication? I'd plan to use 140gr ELD-M and 143gr ELD-X.

Thanks
 
19”, Reloder 16, Lapua SR brass, 147gr ELD-M, 2725fps.

25 Sharps said:
Reloader 26 seems slow for this cartridge and a short barrel, I'd wager on the load not living up to the simulation to be honest
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Believe it. We did some load work ups on Friday. 22” barrel, 2,940fps, 143gr ELD-X, zero pressure signs. Accuracy wasn’t that flash though. The problem with Re26 is that it tends to arrive on the shelf, then all get bought in a week, then no more for months or even a year.
 
dodgyknees said:
19”, Reloder 16, Lapua SR brass, 147gr ELD-M, 2725fps.



Believe it. We did some load work ups on Friday. 22” barrel, 2,940fps, 143gr ELD-X, zero pressure signs. Accuracy wasn’t that flash though. The problem with Re26 is that it tends to arrive on the shelf, then all get bought in a week, then no more for months or even a year.
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I've heard others mention this powder and initially thought it was a misquote for Re16 as 26 is on the face of it far too slow burning. It's a Nitrochemie 'EI' grade as per RS60/Re17 and RS52 etc, so a combination of a relatively high nitroglycerin / energy level allied to the 'EI' controlled burn technology may produce excellent MVs even at relatively low pressures. Sadly for you, although made by Nitrochemie AFAIK it doesn't have a European Reload Swiss equivalent under an RS designation.

However, (the inevitable 'BUT'), I've often found that high nitroglycerin content 'high-energy' powders need to run at pretty high pressures to get into their fully efficient 'comfort zone', so that may be why the precision wasn't so good. How did the MV extreme spreads work out?
 
dodgyknees said:
Believe it. We did some load work ups on Friday. 22” barrel, 2,940fps, 143gr ELD-X, zero pressure signs. Accuracy wasn’t that flash though. The problem with Re26 is that it tends to arrive on the shelf, then all get bought in a week, then no more for months or even a year.
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Depending on the OAL, QL shows 2940fps roughly 5% over Pmax, 108% fill, and nowhere near a barrel time node. 2880fps should be close to the node.
 
stubear said:
I would go longer personally - you can get the speed up without running red hot and it cuts the muzzle blast as well because the powder is all burned before the bullet exits the barrel.

I had a 22" on my .308 and I wish I'd gone 24". My .25-06 is 24" though, and my win mag is 26" which is perfect.
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Two caveats: one is use correct powder for 100% burn in barrel. Other is how tall you are, and how annoyed you get as your muzzle gets caught in low hanging branches 🤣. Alternatively go muzzle down. Not endorsed by my DSC provider, and again, perhaps related to your vertical status...
I heard of a fellow who bought a 7mm RM, 24"or so,then got it cut down to 20" as he couldn't get used to the barrel length and attendant issues. BOOOOM !
I currently use a 24" 6.5x47. It can chuck 123 at great speed, but can also chuck 140 at a speed which is still perfectly acceptable. I dont mind if I've to dial in an extra click or two, it's no great hardship, but I only use it for deers.
 
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Lateral said:
Depending on the OAL, QL shows 2940fps roughly 5% over Pmax, 108% fill, and nowhere near a barrel time node. 2880fps should be close to the node.
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Yes it’s a compressed load. The purpose of the exercise was to find pressure and see what kind of velocity that translates to, and whether at 600m that translates to a sufficient increase in terminal energy to justify the stress on the case.

Laurie said:
How did the MV extreme spreads work out?
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Only two groups were shot at the end of their ladders, one sensible step back from the point of early pressure signs.

140gr ELD-M: 2865, 2866, 2885
143gr ELD-X: 2940, 2940, 2928

Groups were a tad below MOA at 100m. No exploration of nodes, drop testing or testing of accuracy at longer range at this stage. To get excited, groups of touching holes are pretty much the minimum expectation. Re26 is regarded as magic fairy sprinkles here. The long range 6.5 crowd has gone nuts for this powder.

The powder that produced the best node definition on the ladder was H414.

Barrel is a high end custom job, hunting spec.
 
Laurie said:
That's one that I think was a great loss to us under damned Reach! H414 must be one of the best ball type powders ever.
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Laurie, which REACH compliant powder would you say is equivalent to H414 in 6.5 creedmoor? Luckily I still have 3 tubs but they won’t last forever...

(It’s also pretty handy in 243!)
 
For ball powders, Ramshot Hunter is the only likely possibility, maybe the faster burning 'Big Game' too especially for lighter bullets. I don't know how well either actually do though in the Creedmoor (I don't remember ever seeing them being mentioned with this cartridge).

The staple powder is H4350 and we have maybe a Baker's dozen of possible replacements for it which are Reach compliant including 'Hunter', some of which are excellent and proven performers in the cartridge.

Top of the list are Reload Swiss RS62, Alliant Re16, and IMR-4451. The new Viht N555 is pretty obviously targeted on the Creedmoor as Viht lacked an optimal grade until it appeared. It's so new it's too early for feedback. Having tried Norma 204 (in 7mm-08) just before Covid lockdown side by side against H4350 this looks a good option too. One that won't occur to many is another 7mm-08 favourite of mine and which the US distributor raves about for the Creedmoor - Czech Lovex SO65, a cheap Plain Jane single based extruded type that burns cleanly and works well in cartridges of this case capacity to bore ratio bracket. (In the US, it's called Shooters World 'Long Rifle' and there is Creedmoor loads data on the SW website, unlike its Czech manufacturer's site last time I looked (Explosia).
 
Laurie said:
For ball powders, Ramshot Hunter is the only likely possibility, maybe the faster burning 'Big Game' too especially for lighter bullets. I don't know how well either actually do though in the Creedmoor (I don't remember ever seeing them being mentioned with this cartridge).

The staple powder is H4350 and we have maybe a Baker's dozen of possible replacements for it which are Reach compliant including 'Hunter', some of which are excellent and proven performers in the cartridge.

Top of the list are Reload Swiss RS62, Alliant Re16, and IMR-4451. The new Viht N555 is pretty obviously targeted on the Creedmoor as Viht lacked an optimal grade until it appeared. It's so new it's too early for feedback. Having tried Norma 204 (in 7mm-08) just before Covid lockdown side by side against H4350 this looks a good option too. One that won't occur to many is another 7mm-08 favourite of mine and which the US distributor raves about for the Creedmoor - Czech Lovex SO65, a cheap Plain Jane single based extruded type that burns cleanly and works well in cartridges of this case capacity to bore ratio bracket. (In the US, it's called Shooters World 'Long Rifle' and there is Creedmoor loads data on the SW website, unlike its Czech manufacturer's site last time I looked (Explosia).
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I’ve just bought some hunter to try under 140s so I’ll let you all know how I get on
 
6.5 Creedmoor in a short barrel is an oxymoron. It was developed for a purpose. If you're not shooting long range with long bullets seated to a long COAL out of a short action, there's no advantage to the Creedmoor over 260 Remington or the other various common 6.5 cartridges. You've lost the whole purpose by chopping the barrel.
 
Sagebrush said:
6.5 Creedmoor in a short barrel is an oxymoron. It was developed for a purpose. If you're not shooting long range with long bullets seated to a long COAL out of a short action, there's no advantage to the Creedmoor over 260 Remington or the other various common 6.5 cartridges. You've lost the whole purpose by chopping the barrel.
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Sadly, if you’re looking for a standard sporter/hunting profile barrel on a new rifle, it’s very hard to find anything but 20”.

When I got my Creedmoor, I had decided I wanted a Tikka T3 - and had to accept the short barrel. As a roe deer gun, it’s perfect. For larger animals, the velocity is low enough that I start to worry at times.

Once I have a few more pennies, it will be getting a re barrel to 24”.
 
Mungo said:
Sadly, if you’re looking for a standard sporter/hunting profile barrel on a new rifle, it’s very hard to find anything but 20”.

When I got my Creedmoor, I had decided I wanted a Tikka T3 - and had to accept the short barrel. As a roe deer gun, it’s perfect. For larger animals, the velocity is low enough that I start to worry at times.

Once I have a few more pennies, it will be getting a re barrel to 24”.
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Tikka do a 24" its just a 6 month plus wait which is why I ended up with a howa, now a 26" howa
 
25 Sharps said:
Yeah, doesn’t surprise me, would be just as well to buy a used m595 and rebarrel. My RFD had a howa sat on the shelf so that’s what filled the slot
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My first Creedmoor was a 26” Howa. Shot extremely well, but it was a beast to lug about on the hill, and I had a shoulder injury so it had to go.

The T3 is a joy to carry and shoot.
 
Mungo said:
My first Creedmoor was a 26” Howa. Shot extremely well, but it was a beast to lug about on the hill, and I had a shoulder injury so it had to go.

The T3 is a joy to carry and shoot.
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I cart mine around with an Ase Jet Z on top, it is a bit unwieldy and not balanced that well but less of an issue on quads. Main stalking rifle is a sporter barrelled cz550 in 6.5x55 with an SL5, still a 24” barrel give or take but a whole lot better for carrying around!
 
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