Culling contractors

[User00026]

I know several contractors, many feel disgusted by their job, but it’s money. They have told me about the mess they leave behind, the wounded animals they don’t track, sometimes up to 10 reds per night they hit but can’t find, so leave for ‘dead’. Game dealers I know being asked to take in fawns with spots weighing i less than 5kgs, etc .

I find it disgusting. I have no time for it.

We do NOT have deer problem int he UK, we have an entirely different problem which is how to manage deer properly in an organised And professional fashion.
I make ZERO apologies for my statement ta on this subject.

 

[Tim.243]

Clearly we’ve got some contract killers on this site

Shoot a 100 foxes you get a pat on the back, shoot 5>10k of pigeons well done.. shoot a 100 deer people start pi## ing their pants...

 

[griff]

It’s become eradication in Scotland Taff. The sustainable (red) deer level is now approaching a level of national emergency to save the red deer from near extinction..or will be within a few years

Can you give us some figures to back up your claims.

 

[User00026]

Can you give us some figures to back up your claims.

Go visit, you’ll see. You’ll see nothing, then you’ll see..

 

[shakey jake]

You can’t blame anyone for taking the money? Are you for real?

i kill stuff every day, if some one wants something killing and its legal why try and be morale superior but poor. most people need money, i see no point condeming the bloke that pulls the trigger, the problem is the voters

 

[User00026]

i kill stuff every day, if some one wants something killing and its legal why try and be morale superior but poor. most people need money, i see no point condeming the bloke that pulls the trigger, the problem is the voters

Sometimes going with the public vote isn’t necessary the best thing, think of that?

 

[griff]

Go visit, you’ll see. You’ll see nothing, then you’ll see..

So you have no figures to back up your claims..
I can also tell you that any contractor that shoots 10 a night and doesn't find them doesn't get paid,and the wrm would sack them on the spot..

 

[baguio]

I know several contractors, many feel disgusted by their job, but it’s money. They have told me about the mess they leave behind, the wounded animals they don’t track, sometimes up to 10 reds per night they hit but can’t find, so leave for ‘dead’. Game dealers I know being asked to take in fawns with spots weighing i less than 5kgs, etc .

I find it disgusting. I have no time for it.

We do NOT have deer problem int he UK, we have an entirely different problem which is how to manage deer properly in an organised And professional fashion.
I make ZERO apologies for my statement ta on this subject.

What utter horlicks you do type. Pretty much everyone on here who gets paid to shoot deer is on a contract (usually an annual contract). That makes them contractors. They don't all work at night and they don't all kill indiscriminately. They're all still contractors though!

 

[Deutsch - Drahthaar]

Contractors play an important role in deer management and are needed IMO. I would prefer to see more ranger roles within the public sector such as at FC & F&LS as I feel you can control things better in-house. However, the public sector has faced more cuts than I have ever known in the last 30 years of working within local government so employing the correct levels of staff to cull the deer without the need of contractors isn't going to happen.

Contractor want one thing - Money, but they work bloody hard for it and deserve it! I have known some of them perform well and are taking several hundred deer per year but others may have know about more than me.

I think a balanced mix of contractors, rangers and deer control licences or RDMP's all have a valuable part to play in the management of deer on the National Forest Estate.

 

[User00026]

So you have no figures to back up your claims..
I can also tell you that any contractor that shoots 10 a night and doesn't find them doesn't get paid,and the wrm would sack them on the spot..

I know people who are contractors and shoot up to 30 and accept 10 wounded will ‘get away’ but the 20 are good stats and the 10 that got away are not reported

 

[shakey jake]

Sometimes going with the public vote isn’t necessary the best thing, think of that?

yep, problem with democracy is some times people think bad ideas are good. but those deer will get killed by some one.
i get some stick for killing honey bees, but if people want them dead and cant afford live removal why shouldnt it be done?
if more deer had been killed over the years either by better stalkers or more stalkers it might be different but deer numbers are too high in the govs opinion, blame the deer, blame the voters, blame the greedy land owners that restrict the stalking, blame the game dealers that dont pay enough to make killing deer worth is, but dont blame the bloke paid to sort it

 

[User00026]

What utter horlicks you do type. Pretty much everyone on here who gets paid to shoot deer is on a contract (usually an annual contract). That makes them contractors. They don't all work at night and they don't all kill indiscriminately. They're all still contractors though!

There are contractors and then there are the contractors that are removing all red deer from the Scottish countryside, the latter I refer to.

 

[griff]

This is clearly a wind up or you have to be the most ill informed person on this site.Never seen so much utter rubbish typed.

I know people who are contractors and shoot up to 30 and accept 10 wounded will ‘get away’ but the 20 are good stats and the 10 that got away are not reported

What utter rubbish..They would be sacked on the spot. This is clearly a thread to inflame or you have got to be the most ill informed person on SD.
Where is your evidence?

 

[User00026]

yep, problem with democracy is some times people think bad ideas are good. but those deer will get killed by some one.
i get some stick for killing honey bees, but if people want them dead and cant afford live removal why shouldnt it be done?
if more deer had been killed over the years either by better stalkers or more stalkers it might be different but deer numbers are too high in the govs opinion, blame the deer, blame the voters, blame the greedy land owners that restrict the stalking, blame the game dealers that dont pay enough to make killing deer worth is, but dont blame the bloke paid to

This is clearly a wind up or you have to be the most ill informed person on this site.Never seen so much utter rubbish typed.

What utter rubbish..They would be sacked on the spot. This is clearly a thread to inflame or you have got to be the most ill informed person SD.
Where is your evidence?

Nice one, evidence, my arse. Are you a politician ? I see it every day, it’s a common problem, hence this thread !!!

 

[griff]

No I am contractor and a very good friend of mine is a WRM so both of us would like to here about your claims you can PM with the details if you wish.
As a contractor I find what you have typed as utterly unacceptable and I would shop any Contractor doing what you have claimed.
As for the eradication of red deer you clearly are ill informed. So before you continue this get your facts right. However I think this is just trolling..
Prove me wrong PM me with the details..

 

[Dawsie]

Whatever, just thought it would be interesting to be able to see the official audited figures, maybe government freedom of information department?

 

[Deutsch - Drahthaar]

I know people who are contractors and shoot up to 30 and accept 10 wounded will ‘get away’ but the 20 are good stats and the 10 that got away are not reported

If you do know contractors that are wounding

Nice one, evidence, my arse. Are you a politician ? I see it every day, it’s a common problem, hence this thread !!!

Griff certainly isn't a politician - He's very qualified and experienced to comment on this thread - You would learn a lot from him if you only just listened.

I will let him tell you what he is, that's if he chooses to.

 

[shakey jake]

Nice one, evidence, my arse. Are you a politician ? I see it every day, it’s a common problem, hence this thread !!!

i didnt ask for evidence?

 

[griff]

Whatever, just thought it would be interesting to be able to see the official audited figures, maybe government freedom of information department?

Yes freely available,

 

[Sakoodin1]

I know several contractors, many feel disgusted by their job, but it’s money. They have told me about the mess they leave behind, the wounded animals they don’t track, sometimes up to 10 reds per night they hit but can’t find, so leave for ‘dead’. Game dealers I know being asked to take in fawns with spots weighing i less than 5kgs, etc .

I find it disgusting. I have no time for it.

We do NOT have deer problem int he UK, we have an entirely different problem which is how to manage deer properly in an organised And professional fashion.
I make ZERO apologies for my statement ta on this subject.

That story can’t be right!! There’s no money in leaving deer on the hill that’s been shot!!! Contractors are mostly doing it for money so why would they leave them after being shot??The wrm would soon hear about it and you would be sacked on the spot!