deer data

[Jelendeer]

Mike,

You did ask for a list of all the questions that are wrong

As you charge for the CD and your online thing and forum it is a bit of a cheek asking billyboy and myself to correct all of your wrong questions and answers without offering payment.

I have posted above an example of the 50 Plus questions that are WRONG plus the one in the example also has a WRONG answer and you do not even have the good grace to say thankyou.

The JELEN CD and web page is littered with incorrect information and wrong answers do youself a favour and ask for your money back then at least it will be worth what you have paid for it!

With respect, I have decided to decline your offer of 'HELP' on the basis that you don't know what you are talking about!!!!!

Whatever axe you are grinding, and for whatever reason, I suggest that you toddle off and grind it somewhere else!

As far as your views are concerned, then I think you may have confused me with someone who actually cares.

Anyone that has purchased our products has every opportunity to get in touch with me to discuss any concerns they may have. The fact that nobody has yet, AND we have received no complaints from genuine customers, suggests to me that you are unreliable as a source of 'HELP'.

Finally, as I do not wish to contribute any more of my valuable time to a thread that's obviously going nowhere.

So its OVER AND OUT from me, and for you, sunshine, I suggest you try and get out more!!!

 

[J Blane]

Mike with repect you are the one who does not know what he is talking about.

The only axe I have to grind is that you are selling a substandard product to unsusspecting newbies and will not even admit that the question bank is out of date littered with incorrect answers and the imformation on your site and disc is inaccurate.

You have not even admitted that the Question I pointed out above is wrong on both your disc and website.

I do not have you confused with someone who cares that they are making money from selling factually incorrect information I think your attitude on this thread prooves you only care about getting money in the bank.


I doubt you can even answer I showed was wrong

so Mike.

You have bought a farm and woods in North Wales but there are no deer on it and you would like to investigate a release programme. Which of the following best describes the option open to you?

 

[Sharpie]

Although I see the attraction of e.g. CD and DVD training aids, I don't think there is any substitute for studying e.g. the BDS manual and working out the answers to the question bank yourself.

The full question bank is freely available at DMQ Setting the standard for wild deer management where you will find the current, up to date version (January 2011 ISTR).

If you buy the current BDS manual, which is regularly updated, you will find that every question in the bank is addressed within it, and the answer given. You will have to read the manual from cover to cover to work them all out.

By studying the manual and working out the answers yourself you will learn far more than by just memorising correct answers using e.g. an automated CD or online subscription based service.

I do think that the BDS manual is far better than any "interactive training aid" for anyone prepared to study throughly.

The question bank is regularly updated, as is the BDS manual. I don't know how frequently these electronic training aids are revised. The old BDS "Deerquest" CD was retired long ago, due to failing to be kept up to date.

I can see the value of an electronic tool for teaching deer recognition, if implemented well. I am not familiar with how well either of the products mentioned cover this. When I took my DSC1 the deer recognition slideshow was probably the most useful part of the course, and the way the trainer got the course members to interact whilst teaching and revising was so productive that I doubt any electronic method could compare.

FWIW, when I took my DSC1 last year question 114 (the North wales farm one) came up. Our trainer was surprised by the official answer as it was not what he had taught us. He took advice from DMQ who advised him of a recent change in legislation, and had to instruct us all in the new correct answer during the exam

That was just over a year ago, so I presume that anyone selling electronic training aids nowadays would be up to date with the latest answer and the reasoning ?

 

[Eyefor]

Am I alone in thinking that Jelen ought to respond to the points raised?

Seems to me that it would make commercial sense to do so - otherwise are customers of the Jelen CD getting the right answers, or the wrong?

I'm asking out of interest (could read ignorance here) & not provocation - I don't know the correct answers.

DSC1 still on the "to do" list.....



ALL CLEARED BY A PM FOLLOWED BY A PLEASANT & HELPFUL PHONE CALL WITH MIKE. THANKS

 

[J Blane]

Am I alone in thinking that Jelen ought to respond to the points raised?

Seems to me that it would make commercial sense to do so - otherwise are customers of the Jelen CD getting the right answers, or the wrong?

I'm asking out of interest (could read ignorance here) & not provocation - I don't know the correct answers.

DSC1 still on the "to do" list.....

I think the silence from the Jelen Team speaks volumes.

Dont be to hard on them though they are working on v3 & v4 of the CD

V3 will have the correct question bank but will still not have all the correct answers.
V4 will have mostly correct answers but the questions will be out of date as DMQ will of updated the question bank by then


Mike as you cannot even answer a simple question off the cuff as asked above I guess its OVER AND OUT from me, and for you, sunshine, I suggest you try and get out more!!! with some real deer managers and learn a thing or two, if you need some help with the DSC1 questions you could do worse than to contact BDS and buy a copy of Ultimate Deer Data.

 

[sikamalc]

Couple of points here gentlemen.

Billboy----- please post an adequate intro, you seem to have not had the decency to read the SD rules about joining. Please attend to this otherwise your may find your membership terminated.

Secondly I have no idea why the above posts seem to be turning into an argument All I will add is that if there are so many wrong answers on the Jelen CD then many would not be passing their Level 1, and someone would have pointed this out by now ?

Also I have found that as with Level 2 there tends to be inconsistency within the courses. One instance that always stands out in my mind was the correct answer that you would light up a cigarette whilst stalking to test the wind

So keep it civil and keep it polite please

 

[sikadog]

Billyboy and J Blane
If you where to know as much about Deer and Deer stalking as Mike from Jelen then you would be in a position to knock him, so you must have an alterior motive to try and drag Mikes good name into the mud could you let us know on the open forum what the problem is or SHUT THE F**k UP

 

[ads03]

Billyboy and J Blane
If you where to know as much about Deer and Deer stalking as Mike from Jelen then you would be in a position to knock him, so you must have an alterior motive to try and drag Mikes good name into the mud could you let us know on the open forum what the problem is or SHUT THE F**k UP

Well said my man

Regards,

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[J Blane]

Malc only using this to try a edjumacate new stalkers

Thats why I have offered to supply anyone who asks via pm the complete up to date question bank complete with answers for free.

Isnt this site all about helpping stalkers and not fleecing them?

The answer about releasing deer is that you can release Red Roe and Fallow without a licence.

Here below is proof of another wrong answer

 

[DaveJelen]

Hi everybody something smells a bit here.. two people come on the site without a proper introduction first thing they do is
start slagging off one of our products. They didnt even browse any of the forums just made a beeline straight for that thread.
Like Malc has said if our disc is that bad why is it people have bought it and found it a great help in passing level 1' We fully
standby any service or product we supply and refund anybodys money if they honestly feel let down in anyway.
I just feel some people use this site to grind their axes in public instead of the proper manor. Theres a saying never judge a person
by is mistakes ? Judge him by the way he corrects his mistakes.
Best regards
Dave (Jelen deer services )

 

[sikamalc]

Malc only using this to try a edjumacate new stalkers

Thats why I have offered to supply anyone who asks via pm the complete up to date question bank complete with answers for free.

Isnt this site all about helpping stalkers and not fleecing them?

The answer about releasing deer is that you can release Red Roe and Fallow without a licence.

Here below is proof of another wrong answer

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Hmm bit of an ambiguous question really.

Are we to assume you have just delivered a deer off the hill or wood into the larder? or are we to assume you are entering a larder where carcasses are already chilled and hung and skinned ready for butchering?

In which case the answer IMO to the first one is wash off your boots and hands thoroughly put on apron and gloves prepare the sink with warm water ready to clean off knives whilst you are using them. If you have just arrived off the hill the carcase will be dirty anyway and undertake the pluck and clean carcase tag and hang in the chiller. After all if you have some 6 or so hinds to prepare on your own or with a friend and its 9pm you need to get the job done, common sense should prevail.

On the other hand.

If you are entering a chiller that has prepared carcases hung up and even more so with carcases that are skinned and hung, then yes change into whites.

Whatever the case all larders, if you are lucky enough to have a decent one or not should be clean and tidy. I have used FC larders in the past, and many others of varying designs inbetween and all the FC ones I have been in are state of the art, and indeed the one we used for over 9 years adjoining a lease I held was also state of the art and was always left spotless.

I should add though that some years back (about 12 years) I was mortified to see all the carcase preperation we had undertaken go to waste when the game dealer turned up and proceeded to throw all of the chilled deer into a Merc van all on top of one another, along with the previous pick ups as well the heat from some of the previous ones was steaming away as he piled them in.

Made a complete mockery of all the health and hygiene laws. This was in the highlands and it was a reputable company as well!!

 

[J Blane]

Malc you are spot on

The correct answer is wash off your boots and put on a clean apron common sense really.


I have to agree about the game dealers though carcasses piled up in unchilled vans is nothing out of the ordinary.

We have to trained hunters etc and they seem to do as they please

 

[sikamalc]

Can I emphasise one thing here.

Thsi site is here to help all stalkers, and although I have never met Mike (jelen) I have only heard good reports about him, and I am sure he runs a professional organisation. Whatever happens in life you will not keep everyone happy, and the DMQ level 1 and 2 has to my mind been a great asset to stalking, however there is always room for improvement and some of the questions when I did mine are not clearly laid out.

Its all about experience at the end of the day and common sense, although health and safety comes into play these days along with hygiene. All for the good I say, but lets not turn on people ehh, we are after all stalkers and should be proud of what we do.

 

[sikadog]

If it is a commercial operation the other answer is correct but they forgot to wear a hard hat which is compulsory in a commercial chiller food operation.