Deer Doomsday

In Scotland they are, maybe not down your way - maybe get out stalking more if you do t think they are ?
Oh right, so the OP states the whole of the UK but you make a claim regarding a small part of the UK. Maybe you should have stated that you were talking about a small bit of it? However, that makes your post totally irrelevant anyway. However, it’s added to your post count I suppose! 🤦🏽
 
I watched a 'deer stalking personality' on Youtube last week with 4 other 'friends', 'we are managing the deer today 2 hours north of where I live', really? 'we get up here and cull half a dozen times per year', the place was pickled in Fallow, I would call that mismanagement. It doesn't help things.
Agree with you 100%, there is no incentive whatsoever for his operation to see numbers reduced. I know the ‘home’ estate and numbers around the area are higher in the last few years. Part of the problem not part of the solution.
 
Agree with you 100%, there is no incentive whatsoever for his operation to see numbers reduced. I know the ‘home’ estate and numbers around the area are higher in the last few years. Part of the problem not part of the solution.
Surely his incentive is his online venison business and his group of restaurants which major in serving venison, no?
 
This thread is a pretty good example of why the deer are safe, people can’t get on and work together. They’d rather argue than work toward a common goal.
It’s a pretty standard thread. The same old regulars posting utter horlicks and me picking them up for it. Don’t worry, they’re on here spouting BS 24/7 so can’t have time to actually cull deer anyway. If they knew anything at all about deer, they wouldn’t be offering new comers free antlers to break their puppy’s teeth with! Fn shameful IMO.
 
FLS along side NS have thrown everything at deer in Scotland. Yet we still have an increase in numbers. Now as i see it FLS only manages 9% of Scotland's land mass so cannot be expected to reduce numbers. FE mange even less land than FLS as a % in England so they have no chance no matter what changes they bring in. The only chance they have is to incentivise the rec deer manager and sadly that might only help in England slightly. Large areas are managed by one or to chaps who pay good money for the ground then they client the ground and make good money. They would want a lot of money to swap client stalking for culling heavy and shooting the deer out. My take on it is enjoy stalking at the moment eat more venison as we have never had as many deer.
 
FLS along side NS have thrown everything at deer in Scotland. Yet we still have an increase in numbers. Now as i see it FLS only manages 9% of Scotland's land mass so cannot be expected to reduce numbers. FE mange even less land than FLS as a % in England so they have no chance no matter what changes they bring in. The only chance they have is to incentivise the rec deer manager and sadly that might only help in England slightly. Large areas are managed by one or to chaps who pay good money for the ground then they client the ground and make good money. They would want a lot of money to swap client stalking for culling heavy and shooting the deer out. My take on it is enjoy stalking at the moment eat more venison as we have never had as many deer.
The way to incenivise this is to intro compulsory DMP's and measured outcomes for anyone getting agricultural, forestry subsidies or other public funding related to land ownership. Granted that won't capture 100% of the land mass but it would be a pretty big percentage
 
The way to incenivise this is to intro compulsory DMP's and measured outcomes for anyone getting agricultural, forestry subsidies or other public funding related to land ownership. Granted that won't capture 100% of the land mass but it would be a pretty big percentage
I still think that you would have many areas of land that would never get touched. Local authority,s have been taking massive amounts of moneys for planting regen and enhancing the nature reserves across our country with no management of wild life and a total we don't give a feck attitude. If they don't get grants they wont care if they get took to court they wont care if they are slapped (Ever with a section 7 9 10) they wont care. Compulsory DMP would not help at all in my area. Farmers don't need a DMP and they have enough on there plate.
 
I still think that you would have many areas of land that would never get touched. Local authority,s have been taking massive amounts of moneys for planting regen and enhancing the nature reserves across our country with no management of wild life and a total we don't give a feck attitude. If they don't get grants they wont care if they get took to court they wont care if they are slapped (Ever with a section 7 9 10) they wont care. Compulsory DMP would not help at all in my area. Farmers don't need a DMP and they have enough on there plate.
Local authorities still get public money from Scot Govt so there is potential to inventivise them by withdrawal of a portion of that.
If farmers leased out the stalking to rec stalkers they could pass the burden on DMP's on to them
 
And there was me thinking 30k was more than a third of 86k 😂
I'm assuming that you didn't do maths at school, Husky?

England 50,372 sq miles
Scotland 30,425 sq miles
Wales 8,024 sq miles
Northern Ireland 5,533 sq miles

Total 94.354 sq miles :rofl:

Did someone not realise that Wales is part of the UK or did you just not bother taking your shoes and socks off???

30,425/94,354 =32.24% so yes, less than 1/3 of the UK.

You know what they say, "There are only 3 types of people in this world, those that are good at maths and those that aren't! :tiphat:
 
Local authorities still get public money from Scot Govt so there is potential to inventivise them by withdrawal of a portion of that.
If farmers leased out the stalking to rec stalkers they could pass the burden on DMP's on to them
Slider NS have taken on board my thoughts and will now run two head cull schemes. One level with Stirling and one south Lochness. (SIKA) Pilot. The one in sterling while large areas are public sector around 10 - 15% is urban and an area of high deer density This will be a (Red and Roe deer) pilot. While this will still be run by a government department the pilot should give results within two seasons. Then hopefully it can be run by private individuals.
 
I did read somewhere that New Zealand had become so overrun with introduced ungulates that they instituted a shoot and leave them policy even culling from helicopters to get the numbers controlled.
 
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