Digital v’s glass

[takbok]

Indeed. The new 4k Zulus tubed has just been delivered to me this morning. Only had a quick look out of the box but it certainly does not feel heavy or look/ feel cumbersome. It certainly does not have the same build quality or solid perfect feel of my day scopes but then it is a cheap Chinese leccy scope.

We shall see how it does later but I have a decent feeling about it. 3 x last light lover fallow and it will have paid for itself with ease. No chance I am getting rid of most of my day scopes though. I might sell one though if this works out to be ok.

I'd be interested to hear how you get on with this. I wonder if the depth of field is improved over the old zulus and the alpex scopes - which require a lot of focus adjustment?

 

[Mike1979]

There is no contest in terms of the image through a digital scope being as good as a high end scope but why would we think it would be when one costs £650 and the other £2k+

Digital comes into its own at night for foxing etc, and the 15-20 mins of first and last legal light. Its a tool and if you need to get deer numbers down and the extra light helps then crack on (thats why I use the alpex).

 

[Fox54]

My own entirely irrelevant thoughts.
Shooting deer with digital is just that, killing. Why do you you need an image intensifying device ? Do you need to kill something so much you need to push into the dark. You may do if it's your job/source of income/demands of the area (a friend has that issue, so I fully understand)
The use of thermal etc for spotting no problem, and having looked through some of the modern thermal binos, I'd quite like to own them. These new multispectral fellows look great. Will they survive like a set of quality glass binos, dunno.

There are those that would say that using a scope instead of open sights are "just killing" too... I changed from optical (binos plus thermal and scope) to Hikmicro 4K digital and Habrok combined thermal 4K binos about a year ago and would never go back. The Habrocks are terrific because it means only one thing round my neck... have never had issues with battery life (but I always carry a spare). The 4K scope works better in low light than the best optical scopes (and I have owned/used most of them). Also gives the benefit of being able to view the shot after the event. Everyone to their own I suppose!

 

[Nickb]

There is no contest in terms of the image through a digital scope being as good as a high end scope but why would we think it would be when one costs £650 and the other £2k+

Digital comes into its own at night for foxing etc, and the 15-20 mins of first and last legal light. Its a tool and if you need to get deer numbers down and the extra light helps then crack on (thats why I use the alpex).

Spot on.

Love the Alpex for foxing , rabbitting and twilight but I dont like the day image rather have Swaro glass.

 

[Klenchblaize]

So in addition to being a gadget tart, does that make me a thermal tart in your book?

I'm a great believer in calling a Tart a Tart!

K

 

[Ouhout]

Glass retains the intimacy and fidelity of the activity, whereas digital renders stalking almost remote and virtual, in my opinion. I have a thermal monocular but that is as far as I will go, and I am equivocal about that.

Well said!

 

[Mike1979]

Spot on.

Love the Alpex for foxing , rabbitting and twilight but I dont like the day image rather have Swaro glass.

We are like long lost brothers ...kind of like Twins ...well height wise at least And not suggesting Im Danny Devito

 

[Klenchblaize]

Glass retains the intimacy and fidelity of the activity, whereas digital renders stalking almost remote and virtual, in my opinion. I have a thermal monocular but that is as far as I will go, and I am equivocal about that.

Very well observed. Nice to see the aesthetic of the chase being considered. When married with the same consideration in one's choice of rifle, scope, mounts and rings its a partnership made in heaven!

Now, before anyone jumps down my .35 calibre throat, I fully acknowledge thermal should be viewed as something of a game changing deer management tool.

K

 

[Nickb]

Swaro glass and bins

 

[Tim.243]

Swaro glass and bins

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Looks like the meadow flowers are early for late January

 

[Nickb]

Looks like the meadow flowers are early for late January

This was Summer

 

[Tim.243]

This was Summer

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No fallow?

 

[Nickb]

No fallow?

No fallow where I am , only roe.

 

[Ruby Tuesday 2]

Just look for someone carrying a CM…..

Only joking.
KB.

It’s when they creep up behind you that you need to worry.

 

[Bowland blades]

Ladies & gents, what your opinion on digital v’s glass scopes, so I’m asking as a novice, I was out today on my first stalk, muntjac & CWD, I shoot a 243 with the alpex LRF on top, my first opportunity was a CWD at 220 yards, checked the distance on the LRF & completely missed, next muntjac in cover crop around 80 yards, scope decided to turn off eventually I got it turned on & managed to drop the young doe. Next was another muntjac in the game cover & I couldn’t see it through the scope at around 30 yards .
During all this I had to change the batteries on my habroks binoculars because they packed up after less than 2 hours on full batteries.

The only real advantage of digital is when you have an Infa red torch . I would say you need to pull the range in on Muntjac , as these deer are small and rarely stop still for for a shot and when you think they are stopped its a few seconds .
2 hours glassing ? Go with the old tried and true IMHO . It would be a rare Muntjac that stood when spotted it your binos , Fallow , Roe , red , sika etc not nearly enough time in the open, let alone in if the beast is in cover they live in .

 

[Mike1979]

It’s when they creep up behind you that you need to worry.

Nope...its what comes next that you need to worry about...however most creed owners dont need to be good at stalking...we can shoot them from much further away so dont worry about "creeping"

 

[nf-fuse]

The only real advantage of digital is when you have an Infa red torch . I would say you need to pull the range in on Muntjac , as these deer are small and rarely stop still for for a shot and when you think they are stopped its a few seconds .
2 hours glassing ? Go with the old tried and true IMHO . It would be a rare Muntjac that stood when spotted it your binos , Fallow , Roe , red , sika etc not nearly enough time in the open, let alone in if the beast is in cover they live in .

Sorry but that's incorrect. Digital scopes like the alpex can see more in low light in then the human eye. This is digitally enhanced so it can be seen at the view screen. The sensor on them is better than the human eye in low light, without IR.

 

[Tim.243]

The only real advantage of digital is when you have an Infa red torch . I would say you need to pull the range in on Muntjac , as these deer are small and rarely stop still for for a shot and when you think they are stopped its a few seconds .
2 hours glassing ? Go with the old tried and true IMHO . It would be a rare Muntjac that stood when spotted it your binos , Fallow , Roe , red , sika etc not nearly enough time in the open, let alone in if the beast is in cover they live in .

That's not entity true Mr President

 

[chaz243]

Well like I said I have both by virtue of QD mounts and I am under pressure to cull so I'll stick to what I have. Wouldn't be without thermal spotter and The alpex was only 650 .... I do have a trusty 308 tikka with a z6i on top to fall back on also ..No more spends for me for a long time...

 

[sauer]

The only real advantage of digital is when you have an Infa red torch .

Not so

The newer generation NV scopes ...starting with pulsar C50 ..all blow low light glass out the water at truly getting on last knocking at legal light wise and without any IR

Folk have bought the newer stuff who dont shoot at night under licence or go boxing...but purely for that last few minutes it's better light and viewing


Paul