Drilling through hardox

Genuine Hardox is made only by SSAB in Sweden. It is their brand name. The stuff is used as "wear plate". It comes heat treated and tempered to maximise it's abrasion resistance. So is very hard indeed.

And comes in a variety of standards. EN 10029, EN 10163-2, EN 10051, EN 10131 for example.

I was tasked with looking into this when my club was rebuilding its backstops, which at the time were smash plates. But I got totally confused about which sort was likely to be the most suitable, SSAB couldn't help, and besides we had no local steel supplier who could get any. Nor were any of our volunteers with metal working experience, of which there were several, prepared to have a go at cutting or drilling it. It seems that it doesn't take much to ruin the factory heat treatment. Water jet with abrasive seems to be the best way to do it, and that would have been expensive, though there was a local company with that capability.

In any case it seemed like expensive overkill for a 25m indoor range with a velocity restriction of 1705 fps. And unnecessary to have an ever-lasting backstop. So we continued with inexpensive mild steel, and carried on replacing them periodically when they got dinged up, and began to bow outwards (that is what happens, counterintuitive though it might seem). We also got good money back for the scrapped ones, which further reduced the cost.

As an experiment we did take a scrap one outside, stood it up against an earth bank and had at it with a variety of full power rounds. From a longer distance. As expected the high velocity stuff, e.g. 223, just made neat round calibre diameter holes in it, all the way through. If the bullets had actually expanded on hitting it we saw very little evidence. Even slower things like 308 nearly got through it and this was thick stuff.


I rather suspect that many of the "Hardox" gongs out there are not actually real Hardox.

Other makes and brands of wear plate are also available.
 
PS: I have no knowledge of what shooting a gong with a copper or brass bullet might do to it. But I suspect it could be a lot worse than what a lead bullet that splatters easily does.

Anyone tried that yet ?

Oh, and here is one of my favourite videos looking at bullets hitting metal. And other interesting things. They don't say who/why/what they were filming it for, at one million frames/sec, but I could take a general guess that it was not for a gong manufacturer.

 
PS: I have no knowledge of what shooting a gong with a copper or brass bullet might do to it. But I suspect it could be a lot worse than what a lead bullet that splatters easily does.

Anyone tried that yet ?

@Edinburgh Rifles has shot a lot of gongs with copper. Mainly .308, though I think he may have used copper in a .300 Norma Magnum as well.

Only noticeable difference on the gong is the colour of the splat mark - they’re yellowish rather than grey.
 
If your gong is free swinging, to absorb the impact, 222 couldn't punch through hardox....
I'd suspect you've just got mild steel....

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My target is indeed free swinging it is hanging there with a single piece of wire. It came from and engineering company with hardox 450 on it. I don't think it is mild steel as all the other rounds including the v max just splattered on it it was just the one sp.
 
Here shows some other spatter then the 222 hole. I suspect the 50 yard range might have something to do with it 😂
 

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My target is indeed free swinging it is hanging there with a single piece of wire. It came from and engineering company with hardox 450 on it. I don't think it is mild steel as all the other rounds including the v max just splattered on it it was just the one sp.
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Very strange..... someone more knowledgeable than me will have to answer that one....

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Here shows some other spatter then the 222 hole. I suspect the 50 yard range might have something to do with it 😂
might have suffered brittle failure and just punched a plug of plate out of the gong.... I'd be wary of getting metal coming back to the firing point using gongs with centrefire at 50m!
 
I shot one at about 15 metres with a .500 once. Scared me witless. One of the dumbest things I've ever done. Still get a sick feeling when I think about it.
Shot myself in the neck with a ricochet in my teens , lucky I have a brass neck lol !
Used some really hard mdf one day pattern testing some steel shotgun loads got one in the belly , one in the leg stung a bit that was all another valuable and lucky lesson any why one should wear safety specs while pattern testing even with lead
 
Shot myself in the neck with a ricochet in my teens , lucky I have a brass neck lol !
Used some really hard mdf one day pattern testing some steel shotgun loads got one in the belly , one in the leg stung a bit that was all another valuable and lucky lesson any why one should wear safety specs while pattern testing even with lead
I suspect the Guide Dogs Association will see a large upsurge in demand once everyone starts sending all that steel shot bouncing around the countryside...
 
I suspect the Guide Dogs Association will see a large upsurge in demand once everyone starts sending all that steel shot bouncing around the countryside...
I won't shoot cripples on the water wildfowling now after my lab got one innthe neck , he never fliched ! I felt really bad though, was a shot I have done many times when the dog isn't too close if the dog is going out all shooting cripples stops now .
Being fair shooting at say pigeon coming in to roost is something to think very carefully about . TSS shot has very real return to earth velocity and angles should be considered also extended rages possible
 
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My oldest gong from BH Targets.
Has received rounds from 22LR, 17 Rem, 223 Rem, 6BR, 6.5x55, 308w, 30-06 and 9.3x62.
Hung at 100m. Dont think it's doing too bad. 5 yrs old. As others have commented I think it's the smaller calibre high velocity rounds that do more "damage".
 
The gongs me and my mates use are 10mm. I've witnessed the biggest dents coming from .22-250 and .243, nothing much else does any damage. I did punch a hole in one once with a 7STW firing 140gr Nosler BT. I don't know the velocity, but that cartridge is well known for not hanging around!
 
The gongs me and my mates use are 10mm. I've witnessed the biggest dents coming from .22-250 and .243, nothing much else does any damage. I did punch a hole in one once with a 7STW firing 140gr Nosler BT. I don't know the velocity, but that cartridge is well known for not hanging around!
10mm what ? I made a load of rf targets from 8 mm regular mild steel and they worked fine even at 50 yards it was only hv that left any kind of permanent mark . When I decided to try 22 hornet it was a very different matter tested at 200 yards , as they where spinners it didn't punch clean through but even at that range it was apparent they could be scrapped off in a single session
 
10mm what ? I made a load of rf targets from 8 mm regular mild steel and they worked fine even at 50 yards it was only hv that left any kind of permanent mark . When I decided to try 22 hornet it was a very different matter tested at 200 yards , as they where spinners it didn't punch clean through but even at that range it was apparent they could be scrapped off in a single session
Not sure, it was a friend's gong. But something hard because we've shot it hundreds of times with his .308, my 6.5x55 etc and they barely leave a mark. I suspect it was over hardened because the hole was very different to the crater you'd get in mild steel. It looked like it had fractured. I can get a photo if you like?

Edit...Gary's gong 7STW hole.jpg
Edit 2 - I was quite pleased with the shot placement too seeing as the evidence is set in it forever!
 
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Not sure, it was a friend's gong. But something hard because we've shot it hundreds of times with his .308, my 6.5x55 etc and they barely leave a mark. I suspect it was over hardened because the hole was very different to the crater you'd get in mild steel. It looked like it had fractured. I can get a photo if you like?
Just questioning if you knew what it was , in truth I would suspect many target gongs being sold will be mis described but anyone selling mind steel for cf will get a lot of complaints and returns
Its realisticly impossible to say what something is in steel unless you have a mill cert with it , your just trusting your supply chain . Strangely even though we have far more regulations the entry and dominance of China has lead to loads of issues from basic fabrication to the French Nuke dome .
 
Exactly that. I don't know who the maker of the gong was but no doubt they won't be buying the most expensive grade materials for what they do. Going by the other hits and many since it seems to be made of something very similar to the other gongs I've shot but the exact material is a mystery.
 
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