Driven boar UK
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Bavarianbrit
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Why use dogs? Human beaters are used all over the rest of the EU (still in it).
mereside
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To get boar to move properly you need dogs full stop, boar just go in the thickest cover and lay up even with dogs on them, more often than not you see beater and dogs go by then the wise old big keilers come sauntering along after everyone's gone by, in the uk we can only use a maximum of two dogs, boar are not deer and don't move the same,regards wayne
countrryboy
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In Scotland u can use as many dogs as u want, no limit onn numbers as long as flushing to a gun
Heym SR20
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I have three times been on a driven boar hunt right on the the edge of Hagn in Public Forest Land. When I say right on the edge, the forest edge is back garden of the city. There are plenty of roads on which there are always walkers. Indeed on one hunt I had a group sit down on a bench and watch the proceedings.
It's a hunt orginised by Forst - ie the local environment and forest service. Safety is paramount.Firstly there is a very detailed safety briefing in the morning, and everybody has to produce a copy of Jagdschein, up to date shooting test results (all hunters have to do it once per year), plus insurance docs. No papers = no hunting.
Each hunter is allocated a stand and this done carefully so that experienced hunters are put in the more difficult positions from a safety perspective - some of the stands are on the edge of gardens, whilst novices are put in safer places. On each stand there are very clear arcs of fire all marked out with Forestry tree paint. These are shown to you and you clearly told areas where you must not shoot. And that they check those areas for signs of shots - bit for hit animals, but also bullet holes in trees and on the ground - if they are found you get your arse kicked, you will likely forfit your Jagdshein and certainly won't be invited back.
There are 40 odd guns out over a 1,000 ha forest.
The dogs and beaters all move in big figures of 8, rather than in a line so they can appear from any direction.
Its actually not that noisy - yes hear the dogs barking, but the actual number of shots is not huge. Most hunters consider themselves fortunate to get a shot or two. Typically the bag will be 20 odd animals so perhaps 40 odd shots over a period from say 8am through to 2pm.
At the end of the hunt, you mark where you shot at an animal and mark the spot with a flag. If you have animals lying close and that re very clearly dead you drag them to the roadside. Otherwise the tracking dogs are then brought in to follow up and find the shot animals. Mostly the animals will have run a bit further after shot and then collapsed and then rollled down hillside out of sight. Generally most wounded animals will have already been picked up by the beating teams with their dogs and dispatched.
Given the potential risk, everything is well organised. All the hunters are well trained in the first place and then safety is constantly reinforced. And if you can not pass your shooting test each year, which includes running boar targets, you don't get your Jagdshein. The biggest danger is actually to the beaters and their dogs - not from the guns, but from the boar themselves. If you get in their way - they will run straight through you, if they are wounded they get angry and will go whatever is in their way. They are not like deer which will run away.
On most hunting areas, there will be one or perhaps two driven hunts a year, and that is when the bulk of the cull happens. Otherwise hunters are in stands out in the surrounding arable areas to keep the pigs of the arable crops and their Euro's in their wallets. If the pigs cause damage to crops then the hunters pay for the damage!
Could such a hunt work in the UK for boar, muntjac, roe deer - of course it could. But it would need a change of mindset from all concerned. For Muntjac and Roe (which used to be controlled on driven hunts) driven hunting could well be the way to bring numbers down.
It's a hunt orginised by Forst - ie the local environment and forest service. Safety is paramount.Firstly there is a very detailed safety briefing in the morning, and everybody has to produce a copy of Jagdschein, up to date shooting test results (all hunters have to do it once per year), plus insurance docs. No papers = no hunting.
Each hunter is allocated a stand and this done carefully so that experienced hunters are put in the more difficult positions from a safety perspective - some of the stands are on the edge of gardens, whilst novices are put in safer places. On each stand there are very clear arcs of fire all marked out with Forestry tree paint. These are shown to you and you clearly told areas where you must not shoot. And that they check those areas for signs of shots - bit for hit animals, but also bullet holes in trees and on the ground - if they are found you get your arse kicked, you will likely forfit your Jagdshein and certainly won't be invited back.
There are 40 odd guns out over a 1,000 ha forest.
The dogs and beaters all move in big figures of 8, rather than in a line so they can appear from any direction.
Its actually not that noisy - yes hear the dogs barking, but the actual number of shots is not huge. Most hunters consider themselves fortunate to get a shot or two. Typically the bag will be 20 odd animals so perhaps 40 odd shots over a period from say 8am through to 2pm.
At the end of the hunt, you mark where you shot at an animal and mark the spot with a flag. If you have animals lying close and that re very clearly dead you drag them to the roadside. Otherwise the tracking dogs are then brought in to follow up and find the shot animals. Mostly the animals will have run a bit further after shot and then collapsed and then rollled down hillside out of sight. Generally most wounded animals will have already been picked up by the beating teams with their dogs and dispatched.
Given the potential risk, everything is well organised. All the hunters are well trained in the first place and then safety is constantly reinforced. And if you can not pass your shooting test each year, which includes running boar targets, you don't get your Jagdshein. The biggest danger is actually to the beaters and their dogs - not from the guns, but from the boar themselves. If you get in their way - they will run straight through you, if they are wounded they get angry and will go whatever is in their way. They are not like deer which will run away.
On most hunting areas, there will be one or perhaps two driven hunts a year, and that is when the bulk of the cull happens. Otherwise hunters are in stands out in the surrounding arable areas to keep the pigs of the arable crops and their Euro's in their wallets. If the pigs cause damage to crops then the hunters pay for the damage!
Could such a hunt work in the UK for boar, muntjac, roe deer - of course it could. But it would need a change of mindset from all concerned. For Muntjac and Roe (which used to be controlled on driven hunts) driven hunting could well be the way to bring numbers down.
Nice write up, however, It will happen when hell freezes over, when you have Pigeon shooters arrested mid shoot, Rabbit control disturbed by anti's, Fox lamping messed up with Night Sun mounted helicopters, Vehicles of hunt followers damaged ................................ Need I go further?, Spose we could ask our protective sporting bodies for some help EH?
Couldn’t agree with you more use to be a time when you could walk out of your house rifle or shot gun under you arm and go for a walk round.Now you’ve got to creep out under cover of darkness so nobody sees you for fear retribution.
No it couldn’t because a boar falls into the same category as a fox (I.e. it’s not a rabbit or rat) plus most of the foxhounds are still busy killing foxes
Social media and mobile phones making it easier for the antis to coordinate and share (mis) information plus a general disconnect from the countryside and what needs to happen in it
Foxhounds are still busy but.......only chase foxes when they accidentally go off the laid trail (said from a E&S member)
For boar it would need a change in the law. And that's not going to happen.
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