DSC 2 without DSC 1?

[Border]

Hi. Just checking the collective wisdom on this. I have seen / read examples of people wanting to take level 2 apparently without level 1. Is this allowed? Also, people who have just passed level 1 and are already looking for level 2, seemingly with little or no experience. I appreciate that some candidates may have massive experience and have shot a shed load of deer but you get the feeling it is the people that are the opposite and are maybe badge collectors? Possibly this has been made easier by the latest changes to level 2?

 

[DavyG]

Hi. Just checking the collective wisdom on this. I have seen / read examples of people wanting to take level 2 seemingly without level 1. Is this allowed? Also, people who have just passed level 1 and are already looking for level 2, seemingly with little or no experience. I appreciate that some candidates may have massive experience and have shot a shed load of deer but you get the feeling it is the people that are the opposite and are maybe badge collectors? Possibly this has been made easier by the latest changes to level 2?

Can’t see the BASC/DMQ allowing that to happen.
It’s all about the money honey…
DG

 

[Pete6.5]

Can’t see the BASC/DMQ allowing that to happen.
It’s all about the money honey…
DG

You are cynical

 

[DavyG]

You are cynical

Moi…?

 

[sikamalc]

As far as I am aware, you cannot take DMQ Level 2, unless you have attained Level 1.

It is now one ICR for Level 2, something I do not totally agree with. However for anyone taking Level 2, they will need a certain level of experience and at least double figures of deer to their account. You will need to know where the vast majority of the lymph system is on a deer and name them. Also wounded deer scenarios, and what you would need to do if you suspected a notifiable disease.
For those who have recently passed their Level 1, they will also obtain their meat handling certificate in with the Level 2, as this is not generally given out with Level 1, unless you have paid the extra for the Lantra certificate.

 

[timbrayford]

As far as I am aware, you cannot take DMQ Level 2, unless you have attained Level 1.

It is now one ICR for Level 2, something I do not totally agree with. However for anyone taking Level 2, they will need a certain level of experience and at least double figures of deer to their account. You will need to know where the vast majority of the lymph system is on a deer and name them. Also wounded deer scenarios, and what you would need to do if you suspected a notifiable disease.
For those who have recently passed their Level 1, they will also obtain their meat handling certificate in with the Level 2, as this is not generally given out with Level 1, unless you have paid the extra for the Lantra certificate.

Agree, candidates for DSC2 should be aware that they are required to demonstrate practical competence right through from the initial stalk to preparing a carcass fit to enter the human food chain.

 

[jcampbellsmith]

DSC2 – Deer Management Qualification

Regards
JCS

 

[Alantoo]

I have seen / read examples of people wanting to take level 2 apparently without level 1. Is this allowed?

DSC2 – Deer Management Qualification

First paragraph of above....

Deer Stalking Qualification – 2​

DSC2 is a practical based qualification which enables candidates to demonstrate their knowledge and competence in legally, safely and humanely culling deer and dealing with carcasses hygienically. The DSC1 is a prerequisite for DSC2.

Alan

 

[Tim.243]

DSC2 – Deer Management Qualification

First paragraph of above....

Deer Stalking Qualification – 2​

DSC2 is a practical based qualification which enables candidates to demonstrate their knowledge and competence in legally, safely and humanely culling deer and dealing with carcasses hygienically. The DSC1 is a prerequisite for DSC2.

Alan

Bits of paper are all well and good but most people on the road have past a driving test and yet the number of crashes never seems to go down.
A uk car driving licence is a prerequisite for HGV training but would you want some of the people driving cars to drive a truck...
Same in shooting lol

 

[timbrayford]

Bits of paper are all well and good but most people on the road have past a driving test and yet the number of crashes never seems to go down.
A uk car driving licence is a prerequisite for HGV training but would you want some of the people driving cars to drive a truck...
Same in shooting lol

The difference is that driving tests are mandatory and DSC 1 & 2 isn't. At least it demonstrates an interest in the subject and is useful guidance for new entrants into stalking.

 

[Leec6.5]

As far as I am aware, you cannot take DMQ Level 2, unless you have attained Level 1.

It is now one ICR for Level 2, something I do not totally agree with. However for anyone taking Level 2, they will need a certain level of experience and at least double figures of deer to their account. You will need to know where the vast majority of the lymph system is on a deer and name them. Also wounded deer scenarios, and what you would need to do if you suspected a notifiable disease.
For those who have recently passed their Level 1, they will also obtain their meat handling certificate in with the Level 2, as this is not generally given out with Level 1, unless you have paid the extra for the Lantra certificate.

Really 1 ICR makes a mockery of the whole idea of it!

Makes those of us who bust a gut to make sure we were up to scratch before we even registered to levek 2 , wonder why we actually bothered!

Nothing but a complete shite shower!!!!

More £££££££££ for DMQ cough BASC

Apologies for the hijack and rant please carry on

 

[terrier1]

DSC2 has already been made easier by making it only one Stalk instead of three.
Totally devaluing the qualification.
Has anyone any idea why this was done?

 

[Tim.243]

The difference is that driving tests are mandatory and DSC 1 & 2 isn't. At least it demonstrates an interest in the subject and is useful guidance for new entrants into stalking.

Yes I agree, but the likes of many experienced stalkers/fox shooters will not have that cert, when will it become mandatory?
As I have said many times gun safety and field experience is not just confined to stalking, a vast number of new stalkers have only taken up stalking with next to no time in the field as in my first line of this reply.
Each to their own but with the driving many of us were shown (like shooting) how to work the clutch brake etc...
Like the older stalkers I was shown hand signal's V

 

[Alantoo]

Really 1 ICR makes a mockery of the whole idea of it!

Would three car driving tests be more appropriate than one? Not referring to PSV or HGV tests...just repeating three ordinary driving tests for your Nissan Micra.

DSC2 has already been made easier by making it only one Stalk instead of three.
Totally devaluing the qualification.
Has anyone any idea why this was done?

I agree it has made DSC2 logistically easier and therefore significantly less expensive to achieve for the applicant, but I can't see that as a particularly bad thing.

I understand why those who invested the time and money to achieve the earlier 3no. ICR version would feel aggrieved...but were they able to demonstrate any different principles of good practice on their second and third witnessed outings that they didn't on the first? If all three were carried out on the same ground and followed the same routine what was the advantage of repetition that justified the expense?

Certainly there are so many stalking, recovery and larder scenarios, not least basic geographical differences between woodland, farm land and open hill. To test detailed performance in all scenarios rather than the universal handling and hygiene principles, you would almost need an AW on every stalk?

Alan

 

[Leec6.5]

3 driving tests?

For some - hell yes have you seen the quality of driving these days?

Also have you actually seen the quality of stalkers these days???

I have seen some exceptional non DMQ stalkers and i have seen some L2 stalkers i wouldnt give an FAC too let alone a tin pot certificate that can be gained by stalking and shooting 1 deer!

Until you become a guide you really only going on your own personal experience is, i have been guiding a long long time, 20 odd years and at least 5 of those as an AW

 

[Tim.243]

3 driving tests?

For some - hell yes have you seen the quality of driving these days?

Also have you actually seen the quality of stalkers these days???

I have seen some exceptional non DMQ stalkers and i have seen some L2 stalkers i wouldnt give an FAC too let alone a tin pot certificate that can be gained by stalking and shooting 1 deer!

Until you become a guide you really only going on your own personal experience is, i have been guiding a long long time, 20 odd years and at least 5 of those as an AW

What would you say would be the main cause of a dsc1 fail...? Safety/Shooting?
@timbrayford

 

[Leec6.5]

What would you say would be the main cause of a dsc1 fail...? Safety/Shooting?
@timbrayford

Personally yes I would say so, as a bloke who is not very good in a classroom situation and failed my written DMQ level one first time round, there are those who are academically marvellous Who can pis$ the theory side of things but a fuking useless in the field!

 

[Tazz]

DSC2 – Deer Management Qualification

First paragraph of above....

Deer Stalking Qualification – 2​

DSC2 is a practical based qualification which enables candidates to demonstrate their knowledge and competence in legally, safely and humanely culling deer and dealing with carcasses hygienically. The DSC1 is a prerequisite for DSC2.

Alan

That would seem fairly unambiguous!!!

 

[NullMac]

DSC2 has already been made easier by making it only one Stalk instead of three.
Totally devaluing the qualification.
Has anyone any idea why this was done?

Because three ICR's was totally pointless and the expense (and hassle) was deterring people from doing it e.g. me.

If you are competent then you are competent. No need to demonstrate it 3 times. I didn't have to sit Higher Maths 3 times to get my Certificate. You can debate what competent means all you want but if it is about getting venison into the food chain safely then either you can or can't.

I have now signed up after 15 years simply because I can give it a go with one ICR. I still have to meet the necessary standards, it hasn't got easier just more accessible.

 

[John Doe]

How long before the Police, Forestry Commission, employers and the like break the DMQ/BASC strangle hold and start allowing ‘or equivalent qualifications’. Happens in pretty much every other field?