Dumping of shot pheasants

[Apthorpe]

I suspect that we’re going to end up as collateral damage to the NI/UK Brexit row, our stuff still travels through the UK to the EU market.
It’s going to be a complete balls up.

It's a crazy situation, but it's all the way the EU and Irish insisted it must be. The UK certainly got no concession whatsoever over this.
Seems increasingly the EU is just there to inflict pain on its citizens.
All completely unnecessary over a small amount of trade which favours the Irish anyway, Irish meat and dairy being cheaper to produce. Never been quite sure why the difference, given the same rules apply.

 

[Dunwaters]

It's a crazy situation, but it's all the way the EU and Irish insisted it must be. The UK certainly got no concession whatsoever over this.
Seems increasingly the EU is just there to inflict pain on its citizens.
All completely unnecessary over a small amount of trade which favours the Irish anyway, Irish meat and dairy being cheaper to produce. Never been quite sure why the difference, given the same rules apply.

Not totally true, the EU and ROI never wanted Brexit in the first place, it’s NI that’s creating the problems, neither community wants an internal border on the island but there has to be some form of border so the compromise solution of an Irish Sea border was negotiated.
That solution is not acceptable to the Unionist community but that’s what was agreed.
All parties are demonstrably right, but they’re all wrong too, it makes the Middle East solution look easy to achieve in comparison.

 

[Malxwal]

Right, how many of you need to shoot deer to feed your family, either full time deer management or to simply feed family. If not, perhaps consider the implications of your attacks on other recreational shooting here in the public realm.

 

[VSS]

Right, how many of you need to shoot deer to feed your family, either full time deer management or to simply feed family. If not, perhaps consider the implications of your attacks on other recreational shooting here in the public realm.

Well I need to shoot deer to feed my family, either directly or indirectly through venison sales, because it's part of my business. I also have a vested interest in the continuation of game shooting as I own freehold sporting rights. The end of game shooting would considerably devalue my assets.
The sad thing is, game shooting is being destroyed from within by the very people who mistakenly believe they're defending it. The ones who disregard the accusations of malpractice in the belief that it doesn't happen, and think that if everyone carries on regardless it'll all be hunky dory in the end

 

[Malxwal]

Well I need to shoot deer to feed my family, either directly or indirectly through venison sales, because it's part of my business. I also have a vested interest in the continuation of game shooting as I own freehold sporting rights. The end of game shooting would considerably devalue my assets.
The sad thing is, game shooting is being destroyed from within by the very people who mistakenly believe they're defending it. The ones who disregard the accusations of malpractice in the belief that it doesn't happen, and think that if everyone carries on regardless it'll all be hunky dory in the end

Then you have influence and control over what happens on your sporting rights. Don't confuse that with what happens everywhere else, and how your opinions when voiced publicly play into the hands of those who want all shooting outlawed.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Keep this at Ballycastle and the Scottish isle's are only minutes away

With thon thing anywhere on the NI coast would do but you would need 3 days to get over the battering before you could take a shot!

I suspect that we’re going to end up as collateral damage to the NI/UK Brexit row, our stuff still travels through the UK to the EU market.
It’s going to be a complete balls up.

I fear it is already a balls-up my friend and will only get worse.

 

[TH4]

Bollocks, we all know it goes on just don't see the evidence very often.

Anyway this is a stalking website. Nothing to do with me, nor has fox hunting. They can take the consequences for their own actions and not come bleating to me for support if it all goes tits up.

And you are daft enough to think that when they go then stalking won't be next. Must be really uncomfortable with your head in that sand.

 

[Cumbrian 1]

Well I need to shoot deer to feed my family, either directly or indirectly through venison sales, because it's part of my business. I also have a vested interest in the continuation of game shooting as I own freehold sporting rights. The end of game shooting would considerably devalue my assets.
The sad thing is, game shooting is being destroyed from within by the very people who mistakenly believe they're defending it. The ones who disregard the accusations of malpractice in the belief that it doesn't happen, and think that if everyone carries on regardless it'll all be hunky dory in the end

Classic farmer mentality, despite your clear hatred towards pheasant shooting your still happy to take money for renting the sporting rights, what a hypocrite.

How’s the deer farming? Must be great to fence in deer to slaughter them, after all there is such a shortage of deer in the UK and lack of venison to feed the masses but don’t worry flooding the market with cheap produce really helps the average stalker.

I think before pheasant shooting is outlawed we should ban hill farming, not only has it led to the complete deforestation of the uplands of native tree species, overgrazing has left a landscape full of bracken and white grass with little or no conservation value and then on top that it also leads to flooding lower down in the river system, attempted drainage in the past of peat bogs has simply led to massive erosion and sediment run off with no real pasture improvement.

To top it off we the tax payer fund this crap.

 

[palmer_mike]

Classic farmer mentality, despite your clear hatred towards pheasant shooting your still happy to take money for renting the sporting rights, what a hypocrite.

How’s the deer farming? Must be great to fence in deer to slaughter them, after all there is such a shortage of deer in the UK and lack of venison to feed the masses but don’t worry flooding the market with cheap produce really helps the average stalker.

I think before pheasant shooting is outlawed we should ban hill farming, not only has it led to the complete deforestation of the uplands of native tree species, overgrazing has left a landscape full of bracken and white grass with little or no conservation value and then on top that it also leads to flooding lower down in the river system, attempted drainage in the past of peat bogs has simply led to massive erosion and sediment run off with no real pasture improvement.

To top it off we the tax payer fund this crap.

Are you feeling ok?

 

[Cumbrian 1]

Are you feeling ok?

 

[shakey jake]

Classic farmer mentality, despite your clear hatred towards pheasant shooting your still happy to take money for renting the sporting rights, what a hypocrite.

How’s the deer farming? Must be great to fence in deer to slaughter them, after all there is such a shortage of deer in the UK and lack of venison to feed the masses but don’t worry flooding the market with cheap produce really helps the average stalker.

I think before pheasant shooting is outlawed we should ban hill farming, not only has it led to the complete deforestation of the uplands of native tree species, overgrazing has left a landscape full of bracken and white grass with little or no conservation value and then on top that it also leads to flooding lower down in the river system, attempted drainage in the past of peat bogs has simply led to massive erosion and sediment run off with no real pasture improvement.

To top it off we the tax payer fund this crap.

i verymuch doubt he rents out the sporting rights

 

[Cumbrian 1]

i verymuch doubt he rents out the sporting rights

Yeh I think I misread his post

 

[Freeforester]

‘To pastures new’ Artist: James Guthrie

to protect the National flock, Artists: SEERAD

Can you tell the difference?

One of the worst jobs I’ve had to do in many a year, ‘clearing’ an upland smallholder’s flock of geese, all because ‘neighbouring interests’ decided to clype on him and his wee flock. Not another grazing mouth save a couple horses for half a mile all round, nor were they anywhere near stubbles, crops or grassland where a wild goose might land and ‘interact’. A totally senseless waste of life, pastoral beauty, and to what end, when the next skein touches down somewhere else? I was ready to take them straight to the local office from whence the edict was sent that they had to be disposed of ‘- or else’, that they might see up close and personal the consequences of their threat to remove the poor crofter’s subsidy payment. A bunch of See-you-next-Tuesday’s if ever there was. Absolute bollocks, and no way to run a country, let alone a so called government department. Shame on them.

Cui buono?

 

[VSS]

Classic farmer mentality, despite your clear hatred towards pheasant shooting your still happy to take money for renting the sporting rights, what a hypocrite.

How’s the deer farming? Must be great to fence in deer to slaughter them, after all there is such a shortage of deer in the UK and lack of venison to feed the masses but don’t worry flooding the market with cheap produce really helps the average stalker.

I think before pheasant shooting is outlawed we should ban hill farming, not only has it led to the complete deforestation of the uplands of native tree species, overgrazing has left a landscape full of bracken and white grass with little or no conservation value and then on top that it also leads to flooding lower down in the river system, attempted drainage in the past of peat bogs has simply led to massive erosion and sediment run off with no real pasture improvement.

To top it off we the tax payer fund this crap.

You really haven't got a clue.
Do you actually spend much time in the countryside? Classic urban mentality.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Update on Dragonfly problem - cleaned all points of contact again but no difference - just the faintest glowing dot from the IR. Then started playing with the zoom head - screwed in as tight as I could and hey presto it worked perfectly - happy days! It seems that ahem, "my friend" may have got carried away with the zoom and loosened the head until it was barely making contact with the battery, silly boy!

 

[Cumbrian 1]

You really haven't got a clue.
Do you actually spend much time in the countryside? Classic urban mentality.

Great come back.

My point is that for all the bad mouthing that game shooting gets the other practices that happen daily in the countryside are far from perfect. Hill farming is particularly bad for biodiversity in the uplands, grouse moors are far more productive in terms of conversation.

My relatives are dairy farmers, I see it nothing more than battery farming the cattle are on an almost zero grazing policy, kept in large shed most of the year, hardly free ranging. The countryside is simply a green desert.

The biggest threat to wildlife in the UK is intensive farming, and game shooting helps counteract this.

 

[StephenToast]

The biggest threat to wildlife in the UK is intensive farming, and game shooting helps counteract this.

HA HA HA HA. Pull the other one it's got bells on!

How does releasing hundreds of thousands of non-native birds help UK wildlife? It's certainly a pretty shitty move for any invertebrates, small mammals, reptiles, amphibians etc etc that would inhabit any wood a pheasant is released into!

 

[VSS]

Great come back.

My point is that for all the bad mouthing that game shooting gets the other practices that happen daily in the countryside are far from perfect. Hill farming is particularly bad for biodiversity in the uplands, grouse moors are far more productive in terms of conversation.

My relatives are dairy farmers, I see it nothing more than battery farming the cattle are on an almost zero grazing policy, kept in large shed most of the year, hardly free ranging. The countryside is simply a green desert.

The biggest threat to wildlife in the UK is intensive farming, and game shooting helps counteract this.

OK, well you don't know me, so I'll give you the benefit, but let's get a few things straight relating to your post #168

1) I don't hate pheasant shooting. I do hate the mentality and behaviour that so often seems to accompany it, and I'm not so blind that I can't see that that is what will be its downfall.
2) I do not lease out the sporting rights that I own.
3) I do not farm deer. I have a small park herd, but most of the venison I sell is from wild deer that I stalk and shoot.
4) If you think that selling venison at £42 per kilo is "flooding the market with cheap produce" then you've clearly got deeper pockets than most of my customers.
5) Your evaluation of hill farming is about 30 years behind the times. Agricultural practices are driven by government policy, which in turn is driven by public demand. Current public demand is for environmental sustainability, so that's the way hill farming is heading. The days of draining bogs, felling woodland and overstocking (which is what the government and the public previously demanded) are long past.
6) Public funds deliver public goods. Food production is not deemed to be a public good, but conservation is, so that's what tax payers are currently funding.

 

[enfieldspares]

HA HA HA HA. Pull the other one it's got bells on!

How does releasing hundreds of thousands of non-native birds help UK wildlife? It's certainly a pretty shitty move for any invertebrates, small mammals, reptiles, amphibians etc etc that would inhabit any wood a pheasant is released into!

Well how long does a thing have to be here, in the UK, before it stops having this stupid "non-native" tag? For it seems to suit some that whilst pheasants are "non-native" beavers are native. Yet the beaver being re-introduced are not British beaver but beaver from outside Britain.

The particular species of dormouse introduced by the Romans is "non-native" yet does it get a bad press? Only the poor bloody pheasant gets it. That...guess what...those same Romans likely introduced. Been here continuously now near two thousand years and it's still "non-native". What daftness is that?

 

[Pedro]

HA HA HA HA. Pull the other one it's got bells on!

How does releasing hundreds of thousands of non-native birds help UK wildlife? It's certainly a pretty shitty move for any invertebrates, small mammals, reptiles, amphibians etc etc that would inhabit any wood a pheasant is released into!

Actually the great majority of pheasant releases are in the hundreds. (Intensive releasing of pheasants is done in an infinitesimally small percentage of land). The woods where they reside are looked after. The feeding regime helps native birds, the creepy crawlies don't fare that badly that they aren't there next year. Pest species are controlled. The flora flourishes when you compare it with neighbouring areas. Crops that provide food for wildlife (not humans) are planted. Frankly, pheasant shooting (with the exception of some intensive operations) is generally accepted to be good for the countryside. Songbirds flourish. Vast mono-crop fields on shooting estates are discouraged and woodland is encouraged. You can't say deer stalking does all that.

Oh and if you think people don't want killers of Bambi banned, you are living in cloud cuckoo land y'know. The necessity of culling deer is not something the antis will mull over very much. They'll probably prefer to put condoms on their pizzles.