EU Withdrawal Agreement....

[Roro]

I am speaking out of turn really, as the crowd running ireland love the eu. When, as with britain, a lot of the achievements were done when we were outside the eu. Has it been good ? Of course when the eu was pumping the country full of other peoples money. But our government just says "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir" to any dictat. Like lumbering us with a 200 billion bank bailout.

 

[bowji john]

Rarely in a Country's history has there been such a pivotal moment

Behind all this B ''locks is a new tyranny - a global capitalism - that is trying to undermine Governments, borders, cultures and democracies - replacing them with a new politics

The straight jacket of collectivism and political correctness is not conducive to survival

We fail to leave now and throw out this aberration - future generations can look forward to a 'hive culture' and level of control as yet unheard of in human history

 

[Klenchblaize]

Yeah OK, I like it, let's do that. "Everyone who wants it to be 1951 again, go and stand there with Jacob, everyone who wants to stay in the EU, in that corner with Vince, everyone who doesn't actually care and just wants to serve their own interest, over there with Boris and Jeremy. "

Do you mean Clarkson?

K

 

[bowji john]

PS - I'm watching all these political loosers (on the live feed) talking as if the politics of last night still exists

As of May's announcement - where a serving PM just about commits treason - the politics of yesterday has already gone.

I think we are in a new era - a catastrophic change has occurred - A genie has been let loose - we are now in uncharted waters ( a bit like 1914)

 

[User00025]

I think that ship's sailed long since, sadly. I've said for the last few decades that Britain has been losing it's sense of identity more and more. There's no real definition of what it is to be 'British' any longer, is there? We have 'British' youngsters of mixed race talking to each other in some idiotic patois in an attempt to imitate what they perceive as glamorous from whatever crap they absorb from TV and the media: we have large swathes of many UK cities that, far from being 'multi-cultural', are far more reminiscent of 'home from home' for many of the immigrants we've been trying to 'assimilate' over the decades (many of whom STILL don't actually speak English): we've reduced ourselves to a comedic parody of politically-correct buffoons bending over backwards to try to avoid offending ANYBODY: We've lost many iconic cultural emblems through trying to avoid being labelled racist (the golliwog, for example. A perfectly innocuous and much-loved child's toy, taken by the PC Brigade as a symbol of Imperial racism and henceforth banned outright): we have children as young as 8 being diagnosed and treated for 'depression', and PTSD, while military veterans sleep homeless on the streets: we jump through hoops for the LGBT lot that can't make up their minds what or who they actually want to shag: We have 'British Citizens' buggering off to join their mates in bloody jihad against their own countrymen, and then being let back into the country: our national industries are either gone, or owned by foreign entities: and a hundred other things that boil my p iss . . . . .

And we can't even agree about leaving a bullying and narcissistic regime that even dictates the shape of our f ucking bananas . . . . . ???

Thank god I'll be long gone by the time all this madness finally comes home to roost and we end up in civil war. Or worse

Agreed Sir!!!!!

 

[User00025]

"fans switched on full,,, excrement ready"

Military could be used in the event of a 'no-deal' Brexit, says minister

I wouldn't worry too much about that my friend just keep busy doing the first part of your name. It could well become interesting to see whether or not they could handle those of us who have lived through one or two dodgy times. It could be reminiscent of Butch & Sundance.

 

[Hereford]

I think that ship's sailed long since, sadly. I've said for the last few decades that Britain has been losing it's sense of identity more and more. There's no real definition of what it is to be 'British' any longer, is there? We have 'British' youngsters of mixed race talking to each other in some idiotic patois in an attempt to imitate what they perceive as glamorous from whatever crap they absorb from TV and the media: we have large swathes of many UK cities that, far from being 'multi-cultural', are far more reminiscent of 'home from home' for many of the immigrants we've been trying to 'assimilate' over the decades (many of whom STILL don't actually speak English): we've reduced ourselves to a comedic parody of politically-correct buffoons bending over backwards to try to avoid offending ANYBODY: We've lost many iconic cultural emblems through trying to avoid being labelled racist (the golliwog, for example. A perfectly innocuous and much-loved child's toy, taken by the PC Brigade as a symbol of Imperial racism and henceforth banned outright): we have children as young as 8 being diagnosed and treated for 'depression', and PTSD, while military veterans sleep homeless on the streets: we jump through hoops for the LGBT lot that can't make up their minds what or who they actually want to shag: We have 'British Citizens' buggering off to join their mates in bloody jihad against their own countrymen, and then being let back into the country: our national industries are either gone, or owned by foreign entities: and a hundred other things that boil my p iss . . . . .

And we can't even agree about leaving a bullying and narcissistic regime that even dictates the shape of our f ucking bananas . . . . . ???

Thank god I'll be long gone by the time all this madness finally comes home to roost and we end up in civil war. Or worse

For balance, my 3 children are mixed race but are very much ‘British’ and embody a far more considered and empathetic view of the world. They speak in quite a posh voice (far more than me!) yet more and more feel the anger and unconscious bias of a more right wing Britain. You may be right regarding some kind of civil war, as history tends to repeat itself with a lurch to the right proving too much of an imbalance to prevent conflict.

As with the whole of this mess, be careful what you wish for, but don’t take it out on the kids of this country, wherever they may seem to hail from originally. They are not responsible for the dismantling of this country - that started in 1979 - they have not overseen the demise of manufacturing, the systematic removal of benefits to those who need them most (disabled, war pensions, mental health etc). As a country, our young people look to us to evolve, not to revert to the past - moreover learning lessons and not repeating them.

One thing we must be able to agree on - in the end it’s average Joe’s like thee and me that suffer, regardless of the colour of the government - least of all those steering the ship!

 

[Chasey]

Not sure I see your point, we voted out, and out it should have been, day after the vote was counted.
No deal, no exit payments, just out and trading with the rest of the world as a free country.
As for political disaster, no bad thing, particularly as thats what we have anyway, as for financial disaster, says who ?
Nobody knows do they, because what we voted for never came to pass, thanks to our lying, duplicitous, villainous leaders.

Neil.

Seriously every single lerned person from the business sector, manufacturing, construction and finance has said a no deal hard exit would be a disaster. How on earth can you say nobody knows?


We do not live in a democracy. The populas is too ill-informed for that to be a safe option.
We live in a parliamentary democracy, so we elect the professionals to have a dispassionate look at the situation and decide whats best.

Thats why we are still allowed to own rifles and hunt because it bl@@dy obvious in a democracy we wouldn't.

Sadly some of those professionals, like Dominic Rabb, are just self serving power mongers who would sacrifice anything to get into power. Its all just a game of chess to them. Quitting Mays government was a chess move to put him in a position for possibly becoming the next PM. HE was the Brexit security, surely it was his job to form and direct this agreement .if he cant manage that, then please dont consider him for managing anything else.

 

[bowji john]

We live in a parliamentary democracy.

Not for much longer

 

[Chasey]

I think that ship's sailed long since, sadly. I've said for the last few decades that Britain has been losing it's sense of identity more and more. There's no real definition of what it is to be 'British' any longer, is there? We have 'British' youngsters of mixed race talking to each other in some idiotic patois in an attempt to imitate what they perceive as glamorous from whatever crap they absorb from TV and the media: we have large swathes of many UK cities that, far from being 'multi-cultural', are far more reminiscent of 'home from home' for many of the immigrants we've been trying to 'assimilate' over the decades (many of whom STILL don't actually speak English): we've reduced ourselves to a comedic parody of politically-correct buffoons bending over backwards to try to avoid offending ANYBODY: We've lost many iconic cultural emblems through trying to avoid being labelled racist (the golliwog, for example. A perfectly innocuous and much-loved child's toy, taken by the PC Brigade as a symbol of Imperial racism and henceforth banned outright): we have children as young as 8 being diagnosed and treated for 'depression', and PTSD, while military veterans sleep homeless on the streets: we jump through hoops for the LGBT lot that can't make up their minds what or who they actually want to shag: We have 'British Citizens' buggering off to join their mates in bloody jihad against their own countrymen, and then being let back into the country: our national industries are either gone, or owned by foreign entities: and a hundred other things that boil my p iss . . . . .

And we can't even agree about leaving a bullying and narcissistic regime that even dictates the shape of our f ucking bananas . . . . . ???

Thank god I'll be long gone by the time all this madness finally comes home to roost and we end up in civil war. Or worse

So wrong and on so many levels of intolerance.

 

[JockStalk]

every single lerned person from the business sector, manufacturing, construction and finance has said a no deal hard exit would be a disaster

We do not live in a democracy. The populas is too ill-informed for that to be a safe option.
We live in a parliamentary democracy, so we elect the professionals to have a dispassionate look at the situation and decide whats best.

I think there might be a bit of bias creeping in there - there are plenty of business leaders from manufacturing, services and construction as well as finance who do not see the sky falling in if we have no deal.

When our elected members of parliament of all sides overwhelmingly voted for remain, how can they possibly look at a Brexit result they cannot comprehend and then deliver it.

Unfortunately I perceive that the overwhelming majority of our elected officials are not professional, not dispassionate and only capable of deciding whats best for themselves. Voting for brexit is like turkeys voting for Christmas.

 

[Woodsmoke]

So wrong and on so many levels of intolerance

Ok. Let's get even more tolerant then, shall we? See where THAT gets us? It's worked well so far, hasn't it? 'sake

 

[bowji john]

I must say I do not recognise 'learned professionals' when looking at the shower of SH one T on the Labor front bench

Nor do I recognise any honesty from the front bench of the Cons - just self interest

I think we could well do without any of them - they would not be missed

 

[Woodsmoke]

I think we could well do without any of them - they would not be missed

Politics should be along the same lines as Jury Service, I reckon. Crap pay, crap benefits, and the only light at the end of the tunnel is you get reduced time for doing a decent job of it . . . .

The worst thing to ever hit this country is career politicians

 

[JockStalk]

I would go for sacking the lot of them, asking Her Majesty to decree us the hell out of Europe and then putting a whole new government in place.

Wipe the slate clean. Sort out the mess that the two houses are in and reboot.

 

[Roro]

So wrong and on so many levels of intolerance.

The problem is now we have too much tolerance, which is as bad as none. The pendulum swung too far the other way, and is leading to many feeling disenfranchised. Why else do you think that nearly every country in the western world is seeing a backlash ? The voting in of trump, brexit, the afd in germany, victor orban in hungary, salvini in italy, the right rising in austria , sweden, france ?

Its all gone too far.

 

[User00025]

Seriously every single lerned person from the business sector, manufacturing, construction and finance has said a no deal hard exit would be a disaster. How on earth can you say nobody knows?


We do not live in a democracy. The populas is too ill-informed for that to be a safe option.
We live in a parliamentary democracy, so we elect the professionals to have a dispassionate look at the situation and decide whats best.

Thats why we are still allowed to own rifles and hunt because it bl@@dy obvious in a democracy we wouldn't.

Sadly some of those professionals, like Dominic Rabb, are just self serving power mongers who would sacrifice anything to get into power. Its all just a game of chess to them. Quitting Mays government was a chess move to put him in a position for possibly becoming the next PM. HE was the Brexit security, surely it was his job to form and direct this agreement .if he cant manage that, then please dont consider him for managing anything else.

 

[enfieldspares]

Whether IN or OUT what does alarm is that when one sees the ignorance of our politicians on the technicalities of relatively simple firearms vis-a-vis legislation concerning them and how they apply their own and often severe prejudices to such legislation that they are that same "lot" that are now debating this Withdrawal Agreement.

I have little doubt either that the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg care not one jot for the man, nor woman, in the street but have an agenda designed only to benefit their own. Anyone that believes that JRM is a friend of what's left of the working class or of today's the majority modestly well off middle class is a fool. He is not their friend.

 

[User00025]

Chasey only one word to describe your opinions but I won't print it.

 

[Hereford]

The problem is now we have too much tolerance, which is as bad as none. The pendulum swung too far the other way, and is leading to many feeling disenfranchised. Why else do you think that nearly every country in the western world is seeing a backlash ? The voting in of trump, brexit, the afd in germany, victor orban in hungary, salvini in italy, the right rising in austria , sweden, france ?

Its all gone too far.

Do you really think that ethnic minorities have had it too good for too long? And that is why countries are swinging to the right?

You’ve been led by the nose to believe that every time you open the front door youre going to get mugged by a black jihadi paedofile benefit scrounging Uber driver!

You best board up the windows whilst you’re at it....