Fantastic Plastic

NigelM

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Poor old plastic is being demonised by everyone at the moment. Pictures of birds and sea life caught up in plastic bags and fishing nets litter the internet and our televisions and it seems that every eco warrior has jumped on the anti plastic bandwagon that has now become a very profitable business for some.

The word "plastic" stands for pliable and easily shaped. It was invented over 100 years ago but didn't really spring into our daily lives until the 50's. Here's a piece on early plastics from the Science institute:

The first synthetic polymer was invented in 1869 by John Wesley Hyatt, who was inspired by a New York firm’s offer of $10,000 for anyone who could provide a substitute for ivory. The growing popularity of billiards had put a strain on the supply of natural ivory, obtained through the slaughter of wild elephants. By treating cellulose, derived from cotton fiber, with camphor, Hyatt discovered a plastic that could be crafted into a variety of shapes and made to imitate natural substances like tortoiseshell, horn, linen, and ivory.

This discovery was revolutionary. For the first time human manufacturing was not constrained by the limits of nature. Nature only supplied so much wood, metal, stone, bone, tusk, and horn. But now humans could create new materials. This development helped not only people but also the environment. Advertisements praised celluloid as the savior of the elephant and the tortoise. Plastics could protect the natural world from the destructive forces of human need.

The creation of new materials also helped free people from the social and economic constraints imposed by the scarcity of natural resources. Inexpensive celluloid made material wealth more widespread and obtainable. And the plastics revolution was only getting started.


The problem came in the 70's when the dreaded "single use plastic" started to emerge. Supermarkets used it for food packaging, Retailers for carrier bags. Because it is so easy to shape and mould, waterproof, food safe and so many other great properties and so cheap to make we started to make everything out of it. We didn't think about disposal, it just went in the bin when we unwrapped the contents - or out of the car window. Off it went to land fill where it got wind blown all over the countryside and it ran off into oceans. Wildlife got caught up in it, we all got upset by the litter than never degraded and "plastic" took the blame.

The problem has got nothing to do with the plastic. It's our misuse of the material and our behaviour that has caused the problems. Plastic is still today one of the best materials available for all sorts of long term end uses. We would be paying much more for our binoculars, our waterproof jackets, our shooting sticks, our cars, tool boxes, televisions - more items around us than we think - if it wasn't for this wonder material. Many items we enjoy today would not be possible to make without it at anything like an economical cost.

Plastic is to be celebrated - we need to learn not to abuse it.
 
I heard something recently about the inventer of the plastic shopping bag, Sten Gustav Thulin. He never intended for it to be a throw away item. He thought he was making something that would save the planet by being reusable. They interviewed his son who said that his father would have been completely horrified if he knew what his invention had turned into. It was always meant to be used over and over again.
 
Plastic is a wonder material. It isn't the problem right enough as you say NigelM, it's the users of it that need trained. The campaign against one-use plastics is good although even that, if recycled shouldn't be a problem. I suspect that if we did away with plastic altogether, we would be back living around the turn of the last century. Possibly not a bad thing as hopefully we wouldn't have two world wars looming ahead of us.

Anyway, with the amount of bags for life I've got, I'm going to live forever.
 
My biggest gripe is biodegradable plastic sack.
4yrs ago before I took unwell I filled up with rubble for a footpath I was making.
Nowthe bags have perished and spilled their contents as well as breaking up into tiny bits which then cause other pollution issues.
You begin to wonder if burning them, like people used to, was any worse?
 
My biggest gripe is biodegradable plastic sack.
4yrs ago before I took unwell I filled up with rubble for a footpath I was making.
Nowthe bags have perished and spilled their contents as well as breaking up into tiny bits which then cause other pollution issues.
You begin to wonder if burning them, like people used to, was any worse?
I'm not sure if that was meant to be funny but the thought of leaving biodegradable sacks outside for 4 years is well, funny. :lol:
 
I'm not sure if that was meant to be funny but the thought of leaving biodegradable sacks outside for 4 years is well, funny. :lol:
Things is I didn’t realise that I’d be ill or rather ill for that length of time.
I’ve got older rubble bags that are in better condition and I‘ll keep using them until they are full of holes and can’t be used again.

It should be better thought out.
As I said the bags degrade and cause more issues because the particles become so small that they can’t easily be managed and end up in the marine environment causing worse problems
 
I used to do a lot of work with recycling companies at one time. One of them had a great story of how a London borough had completely messed up. They were doing single stream recycling where everything goes in one bag. So someone at the council had a brainwave. To stop broken bottles from tearing the bags they would make them out of a mylar type material. The only problem was that when they were put through the recycling machinaery they were so strong that the machinery could not tear them open. They had to go and buy several million standard bin bags to replace them.
 
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Things is I didn’t realise that I’d be ill or rather ill for that length of time.
I’ve got older rubble bags that are in better condition and I‘ll keep using them until they are full of holes and can’t be used again.

It should be better thought out.
As I said the bags degrade and cause more issues because the particles become so small that they can’t easily be managed and end up in the marine environment causing worse problems
If they are biodegradable they should be made from something that wont affect the environment such as corn starch. Otherwise there is no point to them at all. I agree that the old thick polythene rubble sacks are great. they can be used over and over again before they need replacing.
 




Plastic can be made from fossil-based or bio-based materials. Both can be used to make highly durable, non-biogradable plastics, or plastics which either biodegrade or compost.

Fact: Just because a plastic is made from bio-based sources, does not automatically mean it will biodegrade!

Only non-biodegradable plastic can be recycled, regardless of whether it is fossil-based or bio-based. Enter your postcode into our Recycling Locator tool to find out which plastics your council collects.

Compostable plastics can be composted at industrial scale composting facilities, so you can put these in with your green waste but only if it goes to one of these facilities - your council will be able to tell you where your green waste goes.

Some compostable plastics can also be home composted and should be clearly labelled if this is the case. Compostable plastics should not go in with your dry recycling as they cannot be recycled in the same way as non-biodegradable plastic.

Biodegradable plastics also cannot be recycled in the same way as non-biodegradable plastics. Some can be composted, but not all, and should be clearly labelled if this is the case.

Biodegradable packaging should be clearly labelled as such, and should not go in with your dry recycling.
 
There is a method where plastics can be put back into being oil again I am sure it is small scale operation and not interesting for large recycling companies but on a molecular level it can be done.
All my plastics I bag and they are then collected plus I "hand on heart" never litter, I was just brought up right in that way.
 
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"The ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage."​

― Mikhail Gorbachev​

 
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"The ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage."​

― Mikhail Gorbachev​

He's not wrong, but it might be a tad extreme.
 
If plastic was used as a barrier to coastal erosion, by compacting it, putting it into containers, and building barriers etc, then it would reduce the effect of the changing world, just as making new reservoirs would handle the excess water, plastic is a very useful thing, for instance McDonalds have now swapped from plastic cups and straws to paper ones, doesn't that mean more trees will be destroyed, the use of Plastic in a way was very good for the environment the problem was there was no strategy to handle it once it had been used, now the UK used to sell it's waste plastic to China and countries in the Far East, but because of the glut in used plastic, they (the far East) just chucked it away, and the only place they threw it was in the sea. There was also a lot ended up in the sea from the Sunami that hit Japan, and of course a lot came back here as Chinesium.

I also think the lack of rubbish bins is another reason for the damage done by plastic, again part of the strategy to handle used plastics, no one seems to take responsibility, they stopped using plastic shopping bags, yet you can still by the bags by the roll, there are ways to stop pollution by plastic, but what is needed is a Govt willing to change the Laws on it's use, they could ban many things without a great effect on consumers, eg, Glass milk bottles instead of plastic ones, banning of plastic nappies, wet wipes etc, things that cant be re-used simply by washing the item, like in the old days.
The Govt need to think about the ramifications of their plans to go Carbon Neutral, and the waste this will cause, old boilers, old insulation, double glazing units etc, think of the waste caused by the TV going digital, millions of TV sets had to be thrown away, for very little gain by the ordinary consumer, a bounty for the Govt selling the frequencies, and allowing more TV stations, who now basically show repeats.
In essence a re-think is needed to control the waste, and to realise how good plastic is to ordinary life,
 
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