Florida Police Officer accidentally shoots red light jumper...

[finnbear270]

Perhaps he was on his way to settle a dispute, running a red?, I think he took a bit of a chance, disagreeing with the officer's version for the traffic stop.

 

[Foxyboy43]

i had a glock before they were unjustly banned , the trigger has a small catch on the front of the trigger that wont allow rearward movement of the trigger unless directly pulled by the trigger finger and on top of that the striker is not fully cocked the trigger moves some distance which finishes the cocking before firing , a bit like a cross between single and double action , this makes the glock a very safe pistol to carry loaded and also it requires deliberate action on the part of the person holding it to fire the gun.

Probably the safest semi to carry loaded - I have seen them dropped by slightly excited competition shooters with no issues (apart from the abuse hurled by fellow competitors of course).
Inbuilt safety of trigger and little lever system aside the first pull of the trigger is very heavy; let the trigger go forward partially (under control) and the next pull is very light by comparison to the first. So this ND is a bit of a funny one!
Secret of course is not to have your finger anywhere near the trigger until you are about to shoot at something….

 

[kenbro]

Is that because if we did, you’re concerned that you might be stupid enough to carry a hand gun loaded, with a full chamber and the safety off?

It’s called Condition one….and how do you know the safety wasn’t on before the officer started fumbling?
Ken.

 

[jthyttin]

Probably the safest semi to carry loaded - I have seen them dropped by slightly excited competition shooters with no issues (apart from the abuse hurled by fellow competitors of course).
Inbuilt safety of trigger and little lever system aside the first pull of the trigger is very heavy; let the trigger go forward partially (under control) and the next pull is very light by comparison to the first.

No it's not. Every pull is the same with Glock (of course you don't need full pull if you reset correctly instead of slapping trigger, but the weight is the same). And it's not particularly heavy for a pistol, especially not for service pistol.

Standard pull is 5.5lbs (actually I think factory spec was "not less than 5.5lbs"), then there is "minus connector" i.e. OEM part of mechanism that lowers the pull to something like 4.5lbs. This has been called "3.5lbs connector" but the pull is really about 2kg not 1.6kg.

Then there is the "New York trigger" that IIRC was achieved by changing the springs. Maybe 50% heavier than stock. And of course people have experimented with all kinds of combinations of OEM parts, and during last 10 or so years the market for aftermarket Glock compatible parts has exploded.

 

[Mike L]

Lots of glock experts have explained the technicalities, I just see a dappy tart put her finger on the trigger like an eejit.

 

[simgre]

Somewhat ironic that “gun handling” is being criticised here, and done so from such a ignorant position…

 

[Mike L]

Somewhat ironic that “gun handling” is being criticised here, and done so from such a ignorant position…

………

 

[Apthorpe]

It’s called Condition one….and how do you know the safety wasn’t on before the officer started fumbling?
Ken.

I don’t but it seems beyond doubt that there was a round in the chamber. Am I to suppose that the officer also loaded that while fumbling?

 

[tackb]

Lots of glock experts have explained the technicalities, I just see a dappy tart put her finger on the trigger like an eejit.

i'm certainly not an expert , it was a lot of years ago now and it would seem reading true experts replies that a lot has changed !

there was literally next to bugger all upgrades available when i had my gen1 glock 17 , sounds like that has changed ?

 

[Mike L]

i'm certainly not an expert , it was a lot of years ago now and it would seem reading true experts replies that a lot has changed !

there was literally next to bugger all upgrades available when i had my gen1 glock 17 , sounds like that has changed ?

Oh I have NO idea, my experience with pistols is putting a few rounds through a browning HP 30 odd years ago!

 

[jthyttin]

If you're confident on your OWN gun handling and there are no legislative barriers, I cannot see why anyone would carry unloaded (if they feel the need to carry in the first place).

The whole incident had makings for far greater catastrophe, but there were at least some common sense applied. Also stupidity, the officers should've never tried to unholster the gun themselves.

Proper response (as taught in US) is something like "Officer, I'm licensed to carry and I have the pistol on my belt".

And proper response something like running the checks (paperwork and/or radioing the HQ), asking "customer" out, and asking him to very slowly put the gun on driver seat and back off. And that only if officer in charge somehow felt the need to separate the gun from the owner.

Mere "I have a gun" has resulted in all officers present drawing their own guns and in some occasions shooting the victim and/or themselves.

 

[simgre]

And the officers duty gun is… a Glock.

 

[mr smith]

Look forward to this coming up on donut operator on you tube....his stuff normally highlights 'florida' man issues.

 

[DavyG]

I don’t but it seems beyond doubt that there was a round in the chamber. Am I to suppose that the officer also loaded that while fumbling?

Whether there was either one up the spout or the safety was on/off is immaterial. The Police Officer had absolutely no cause or right to be anywhere near the gun.
DG

 

[Sandyb]

Believe it or not - many of the US self defence classes tell you there is no point carrying if there isn’t one in the spout….

But the lack of safety is not recommended…

Even more so if you live in South Africa…

 

[User00056]

It was at this moment Mindy knew she'd f*cked up

 

[kenbro]

I don’t but it seems beyond doubt that there was a round in the chamber. Am I to suppose that the officer also loaded that while fumbling?

That’s why it’s called (Or it used to be, back in the day) Condition one.
Ken.
Did you not read Cooper on Handguns, by Jeff Cooper?

 

[simgre]

That’s why it’s called (Or it used to be, back in the day) Condition one.

Or, “Made Ready” in British parlance…

 

[kenbro]

Or, “Made Ready” in British parlance…

I think the Brit. Army were still using revolvers when I started hand gunning, yeh, I am that old!
Ken.

 

[finnbear270]

"In Battery" comes to mind.