Fox non-toxic bullets

Andy-shooter

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I acquired a very nice Blaser K95 in .308 earlier in the year and straight away knocked up a slow but very accurate load for it with Sierra Pro Hunter bullets (which I quite like in my .243).

The .308 load was in fact so slow at 2400fps that expansion of the Pro Hunters seemed to be very minimal (at least in comparison to the 2850fps load in the .243) and gave through and through shots on Reds with 10p sized exits. Nice I thought, minimal meat damage and hopefully most of the lead exiting the animal too...

Having butchered a roe doe I shot though both shoulders it turns out that in fact the mushroom cap part of the cup and core bullets was breaking up and parts remaining in the meat - not ideal when the meat is destined for the kids spaghetti bolognese...

...I’ll go non-toxic I thought.

On the recommendation of Lee 6.5 on here I gave the Fox bullets a go. I picked up box of 50 130gn .308 bullets for £37 locally and having checked the reloading manuals for suitable powders and charge weights assembled 4 three round test loads 40-43gn with Vhit N133 (I like faster than average powders in my 20” barrel to avoid muzzle blast and flash) and went to the range to see what they would do.

After a fouling shot with the pro-hunter load, the first three Fox 130gn went into a single ragged hole, obviously it was difficult to measure a group size but I recon less than 0.2” @ 100yds. Amazing!

The 41gn and 42gn loads were also under 1” groups and the 43gn load tightened up again to 0.5” and a very respectable 2900fps with absolutely no pressure signs. Max load is indicated to be around 45gn so there is room for a bit more experimentation but for now I’m sticking with 43gn
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Bullet deformation of recovered shots (from soft damp sand) looks good too. Retained weight on this one was 120ish grains sand being quite abrasive I expect some material was ground away as the bullet slowed.

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Sounds a perfect round, now its time to get out and shoot a deer or two to see how they perform. And what a cracking rifle aswell.
 
Thanks. I’m working on getting out ASAP. I don’t have my own ground so I’m reliant on finding somone with a client slot available.
 
Great results Andy
Get some carcase photos if you can. I am building up a database of terminal effect results

not sure where you are based but let me know what you are looking for stalking wise and I will see if I can help
 
Great results Andy
Get some carcase photos if you can. I am building up a database of terminal effect results

not sure where you are based but let me know what you are looking for stalking wise and I will see if I can help

Thanks, I’m chuffed to bits with how they shoot and expect the terminal ballistics to be very good. I’ll get some photos for you next time I’m out.

I’m in Suffolk so probably a bit far away for your sphere of influence but if you know of anything available I’d be very grateful.
 
I got them from Philip Webster’s in Wymondham.

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They don’t have all the flavours yet because they have only just started, I’m sure Ed could post you some though...
Thank you Andy. I bought some RL22 from Ed only the other week. I go passed it regularly so will drop in and get some 130 grains and give them a try. I thought he only sold powder and primers. Clearly he's expanding.
 
Thank you Andy. I bought some RL22 from Ed only the other week. I go passed it regularly so will drop in and get some 130 grains and give them a try. I thought he only sold powder and primers. Clearly he's expanding.

I also use RL22 (in my .243) I didn’t realise they have RL powders there. I picked up some H322 (which is unavailable most places due to REACH) while I was there though...Jackpot!
 
I also use RL22 (in my .243) I didn’t realise they have RL powders there. I picked up some H322 (which is unavailable most places due to REACH) while I was there though...Jackpot!
They had just had a new batch in so you should be in luck. £46 if memory serves me correctly. I use it in my 25-06 btw.
 
Hi interested in loading these in 6.5x55 is there any specific loading dara out there? Or do you just treat it as a standard bullet. Do they react like a standard bullet I know a lot of talk about Barnes needing a large jump?
 
There is load data on the official FOX site. Lead-free bullets - Fox Bullets

I've used these for 3 years in 308 win, 150 gr. They drop everything from fox to reds and nothing goes far. Very good combination of penetration and stopping effect. I'd say they work like a traditional lead softpoint. I've had even better experience with them than with 150 gr Partitions. They are softer and open up faster than Barnes so they tend to make more mess if driven very fast.

My gunsmith just received the Blaser R8 6.5×55 barrel which I ordered a few months ago. And FOX just released new factory loaded ammo in 6.5×55, which is now sold here in 100 gr and 123 gr version. The 100 gr version should be great for fox and roe and the 123 gr for red deer and wild boar. Can't wait to test the swede and the new FOX ammo.


Hi interested in loading these in 6.5x55 is there any specific loading dara out there? Or do you just treat it as a standard bullet. Do they react like a standard bullet I know a lot of talk about Barnes needing a large jump?
 
What's better suited for .308? 130gr or 150gr? I would personally worry that the 130 would be too quick?
 
There is load data on the official FOX site. Lead-free bullets - Fox Bullets

I've used these for 3 years in 308 win, 150 gr. They drop everything from fox to reds and nothing goes far. Very good combination of penetration and stopping effect. I'd say they work like a traditional lead softpoint. I've had even better experience with them than with 150 gr Partitions. They are softer and open up faster than Barnes so they tend to make more mess if driven very fast.

My gunsmith just received the Blaser R8 6.5×55 barrel which I ordered a few months ago. And FOX just released new factory loaded ammo in 6.5×55, which is now sold here in 100 gr and 123 gr version. The 100 gr version should be great for fox and roe and the 123 gr for red deer and wild boar. Can't wait to test the swede and the new FOX ammo.
Hi looked at that and it only quoted N550 which I don’t have!! I’d be interested in your R8 experience as that is what I am loading for
 
What's better suited for .308? 130gr or 150gr? I would personally worry that the 130 would be too quick?

Mine are shooting at 2900fps which is slightly slower than 270 performance with a 130gn bullet. Plus the monolithic nature of the Fox 130gn means it holds together well. I’ve not shot live quarry with them yet but I don’t expect anything dramatic to occur.
 
Based on my experience with FOX in 308 win I prefer 150 gr, as even this can be fast enough to make a mess. Driven to about 850 m/s they are quite violent. At 810 m/s, not so much anymore. They open up so fast they even drop little fox on the spot frequently. I'm shooting to about 200 m and most shots are within 100 m. So I prefer more weight and less speed for less meat damage and better penetration. But if more reach is needed and flatter trajectory, 130 gr might also be a good option.
 
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