French disaster

[pheasant sniper 1]

I never realised that a Jewish banking family control all the arab countries. Now enlightened. Their next move must be to move in on IS, who have recently announced their currency plans.

Could we get them to send David Icke as their envoy?

Dependent on personal views its just more propoganda... However its not without some points of credibility

The key is to look at everything instead of being a sheeple

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Adams condemns Paris attacks | Sinn Féin - Linkis.com

Funny world when ex murderers sit as politicians and pot black condemn others who fight for their beliefs.

Still, weve managed to bang up a serving Marine and now investigating a para over bloody sunday so sleep sound in this fecked up world...

 

[Southern]

Just like your charleston church shooter, an American, shot other Americans, in the name of a confederation that doesn't exist!

just like every nut job from David Koresh to lee Harvey Oswald....acting in the belief that killing will make their cause valid

A few corrections for you:
1. That Charleston killer was a truly a lone, demented person, not a member of a religious group with mosques and thousands of clerics preaching racial hatred to millions of followers.

2. David Koresh didn't attack anyone. The jury found that the FBI fired the first shots into the kitchen while Koresh was at the door, talking with them.

3. Lee Harvey Oswald was a socialist, trained in the Soviet Union.
4. And while you are mentioning irrelevant truly lone assassins, you left out Sirhan Sirhan, who killed Robert Kennedy - he was a member of Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

And please don't quote Nelson Mandela about peace. He was a terrorist, who admitted to the so-called Truth Commission that the had murdered 11 people, including some of his black rivals for power.

 

[geordieh]

Yes, there are the muslim terrorist who use guns and bombs. There are other muslim terrorist who will use political non aggresive means to win their war. They will move into the country and set up shop. They will move into politics; gain an edge there. They will complain about how they are treated; that the country is corrupt and promotes segregation against them. How the country is prejudiced against them and the world. That the country is not internationally contributing to... help them. It is a multi-functional attack and it has worked in europe. Point is while most people talk about the first group of terrorist it is the second one that will win. You wouldn't shoot someone who is only protesting about how unfair you are now would you? That just might prove their point. And you could go away for murder.Google "Taqqiya" Muslims cannot be trusted

 

[EssexStalker]

As a frenchman with family in Paris, I have to ask: when will admin shut this thread? I won't wade into the torrent of bile that is spouted by some on here but bearing in mind it must be assumed that most, if not all of you, are deemed responsible enough to hold firearms, some of you probably should take a long hard look at what you're writing as you're just as hateful as the people you claim to despise. You know who you are.

People didn't die for you to spout your xenophobic hate behind the safety of your keyboard. Grow up and have some respect.

And SD. Please have a look as a lot of the comments in this thread are borderline, and a significant amount so over the line as to wonder where the line is as it can't be seen any longer.

 

[Hornet 6]

Under-resourcement of public services is our own home grown problem, it's been building up for decades. Hardly the immigrants fault.

On the other hand if we chucked all the immigrants out we wouldn't be over crowed and understaffed. ?
We also wouldn't be worrying about home grown terrorists.
But so long as we stay in the eu and give lip service to brussels and the human rights acts we are in the front line, with
no worthwhile leaders to make decisions and ensure we, and our borders are protected, no matter what the rest of the eu says.

I'm not saying I want the above to happen, but something does need to change, and that is fact!

Neil

 

[howa243]

Despite being on the side of believing that change is needed I would like to disassociate myself from those who believe that we need to remove all immigrants or indeed stop all immigration. I am pleased to live in a society that embraces others, BUT I believe we need to control our borders, the numbers coming, their desirability and usefulness to society, and retain the ability to remove them should they espouse views that are contrary to the common good.

 

[LuckyEddie]

On the other hand if we chucked all the immigrants out we wouldn't be over crowed and understaffed. ?

Neil

Yes we would!
I have a Polish friend who works in an agricultural engineers.
He got taken on the same time as some Scots welders.
After a year 3 of them including my friend got asked if they wanted to do evening classes to learn AutoCad.
This they did but the two Scots dropped out because they found it too hard.
My friend even with broken English carried on and passed with merit!

Three years on and he's now helping in the design of machinery.

So are you saying that he should go back to Poland?

Oh and his wife is a nursing assistant in a care home.

I don't know the figures for the UK but in Scotland we need immigrants who are willing to work because as the manager of the engineer firm said the Scots are becoming older with not enough youngsters for the jobs and in some cases they don't care about even trying to do the job when they have it.

 

[hogey]

France has over 4,000 suspected actives on their radar. Round them ALL up and search all properties known to them. I'm sorry if innocents are inconvenienced but it may neutralise the wasps nest that has now been poked.

+ 1 and also the UK

 

[Bavarianbrit]

A very heavy thread this, I was in Hungary at the weekend on a boar drive so I missed all the hoha.
Border controls are stiffening up between Hungary to Slovakia & Slovakia to Austria from my experience this weekend, but a state of constant vigilance gets samey very quickly for the forces involved IMO and in two week it will go back to normal
This will do bugger all to stop the troubles.
It is not like the German invasion in Poland but the threat is way up there for us all nevertheless.
Quick fixes will not work as shown by air strikes etc in the past, boots on the ground? no one wants.
Internment camps? for all refugees Hmmmm!!!
I would admit to wishing for a concealed carry permit for my pistol in Germany during this escalated situation (it will never happen of course).
Dads Army comes to mind me being 65.
Educate and assimilate all middle eastern nationals into the European way of life and thought would bring much in my opinion.
Britain has megga numbers of immigrants living peacefully among the population Phillipine/Polish/Indian to name just a few and they do no more trouble in the community than the average Brit on a Friday binge.
But this middle eastern thing has got me lost. I have alas no fix.
Martin

 

[Southern]

As a frenchman with family in Paris, I have to ask: when will admin shut this thread? I won't wade into the torrent of bile that is spouted by some .....what you're writing as you're just as hateful as the people you claim to despise.

People didn't die for you to spout your xenophobic hate .....

Nonsense.
Stop the name-calling, like the pseudo-medical term, "xenophobia".

You are trying to shut down free speech, and polite and thoughtful free speech, by intimidation and political correctness shaming techniques.

If you disagree with the facts and opinions, post some of your own. Be specific. Name exactly what it is which scares you. We have open minds.

 

[Pine Marten]

polite and thoughtful free speech,

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

 

[EssexStalker]

Terrible news,

UK cities next, Paris is just the beginning ,

the enemy is among us and has been for years,

our government needs to open its bloody eyes and sort this out NOW,

sod human rights, stop immigration NOW,

IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER AND HAVE NO JOB OR FUNDS TO SUPPORT YOURSELF , YOU SHOULD BE TURNED AWAY AND SENT BACK WHERE YOU BLOODY CAME FROM NO MATTER WHAT NATIONALITY ,COLOUR OR CREED YOU ARE

Enough is enough now,

innocents are being killed on the streets of our cities,

God bless all the victims and there families, stuff like this just shouldn't be happening


Kjf

Don't buy into the left-wing apologist excuses that this is a retaliation for anything. Radical Islam is mostly all of Islam, which is committed to extermination of other cultures. It is not just a religion; it is a racial and ethnic war.

The USA had its citizens and sailors kidnapped by Muslims in Libya during the first year of our second president. We had no bases there. We had done nothing to provoke them. President Jefferson had to send the Marines into Tripoli and wipe the pirates and their wealthy, perverted "religious" leaders out.

And it goes back further: Islamic armies invaded Europe, exterminating civilians. The English, Spanish, French and Germans were the ones who had to retaliate.

It is not too late to close the borders, just not soon enough. Everyone must be positively identified and anyone who is not 100% buying into the historic national culture of the soil on which they stand, is not a real citizen, and it is foolish to allow them to remain, more foolish to allow unvetted young men from a war zone to come in.

That is free speech and you're entitled to vent your opinion, however it doesn't make it less offensive and ill-informed. Not only am I French but I also spent some of my youth in North Africa in a muslim country. I have also spent time in Lebanon and Syria in the 1990s. Islam is not a religion committed to the destruction of other cultures. Al Qaeda, ISIS and their ilk are just a perversion of a religion that has existed for 1400 odd years, most of those cohabiting peacefully with others. Indeed the more extreme factions within the Christian movement in your own country could well be natural bedfellows and share similar views.

The IRA managed to get enough guns and explosives into the Uk so the ragheads will be able to. I wonder how many of the bleeding heart liberals would change their tune if their kin are massacred or wounded if and when ISIS have a go at us.

Last time I looked they were my kin and I am a liberal. But I won't change my tune, whatever that might be.

Sadly the bleeding heart liberals will never wake up as mentioned earlier I wonder if their attitude would change if it was their kin being killed on the streets ?

You don't know, do you? That is the point: these so-called "refugees" have no verifiable identification, much less proof that they are not terrorists. Until you can sort them out, is it not foolish to let them all in?

French citizens? Really? No, as I said, they may be legally in France, but mentally, if they were French citizens, they would not be killing French women and children in the name of a the Islamic State In Syria, would they?

Modern man wants to believe we live in a New Age of peace, love, unicorns and rainbows. The enemies of Western Civilization have no such illusions. Come not to acclimate, but to conquer, and openly brag of it, an how they intend to do it.

Yes, I have know genuine refugees from Lebanon and Syria, Christians who were being exterminated two generations ago. I know Muslims, good ones, some are friends, truly appalled, and staunch American citizens, who understand the U.S. Constitution and have totally bought into the notions of individual liberty and small government of the people. They are the first to tell you how naive and suicidal the leaders of the U.S. and Europe and U.K. are.

Some were French citizens, easily radicalised thanks to the same attitude you share being prevalent in France. Second or third generation immigrants that feel disfranchised from their roots and their parents adopted country. But I couldn't expect you to understand the nuances of the French cultural system as it is quite different from the States. There is a failure of the state to address these issues and your rhetoric is hardly going to encourage any immigrant, whether born in the country or not to want to assimilate.

Now if this sort of thing had happened in Germany pre-1945.............

Wow.

Every muslim would have been rounded up and interned, leaders, scholars, clerics, radicals and extremists would have been executed.



ian.

Double wow. Try to hide your glee please...

My opinion
Any mosque having proven to be a breeding ground for terrorists converted to house ex-forces homeless.
All extremists marching on our streets immediately deported.
The dishonourable discharge of human rights solicitors making a killing supporting the unsupportable.
Borders closed while security forces administer the above.
The bringing back of corporal punishment

I assume Southern will soon reply defending free speech....

Nonsense.
Stop the name-calling, like the pseudo-medical term, "xenophobia".

You are trying to shut down free speech, and polite and thoughtful free speech, by intimidation and political correctness shaming techniques.

If you disagree with the facts and opinions, post some of your own. Be specific. Name exactly what it is which scares you. We have open minds.

Pseudo-medical? People like you scare me. Your definition of an open mind seems somewhat different from mine.

 

[Pine Marten]

Right, so here’s something to ponder for the followers of the clash of civilisations theory: in the eyes of the vast majority of the world’s population, what justifies the fact that by and large, we in the West enjoy such disproportionately more pleasant lives than them? What exactly have we done to earn the right to benefit from this huge level of inequality? People have tried to argue in the past that it’s because we’re somehow cleverer (long-discounted racial nonsense), or because some of us are God’s chosen people (difficult one to prove), or because we’re broadly a Christian culture and therefore nicer (again, doesn’t hold water). Now really, a huge chunk of it is just down to luck and geography. But in terms of some sort of higher purpose, we claim to be a sort of shining beacon of liberty, democracy, the rule of law, solidarity, all things that in the end make life better for all individuals concerned. You can dress that up as a united Europe, or call it the American Dream if you like. It’s supposed to serve as an example for all humanity to aspire to a similar state. But the important word in that is ALL.

Because if in fact, we only want to extend these ideals as far as ourselves, and the only justification for our continued disproportionate prosperity and security is the perpetuation of the status-quo, then it becomes rather more problematic to argue against those who feel a keen sense of injustice. Feelings towards the West run the full spectrum from admiration and a desire to emulate (a positive force) to absolute hatred and rejection, coupled with a feeling of rejection, which can manifest itself like it did in Paris this weekend (thankfully very much a minority point of view). At the moment, we have millions of people fleeing Fascists With Beards or Fascists With Ties in Syria and coming here, heading for the safety of “Fortress Europe”. If we leave them at the foot of the Wall to fend for themselves, I wonder what the resulting shift in the spectrum of dispositions towards the West will look like? People have long memories….

 

[mchughcb]

If you are French, can you please explain why the chapuis challenger has been dropped from the model line up?

On another note, if people generally aren't xenophobic, why, no matter what country it is, do prisoners always segregate into ethnic groups?

 

[mchughcb]

What exactly have we done to earn the right to benefit from this huge level of inequality?

Guns, Germs and Steel.

 

[howa243]

Right, so here’s something to ponder for the followers of the clash of civilisations theory: in the eyes of the vast majority of the world’s population, what justifies the fact that by and large, we in the West enjoy such disproportionately more pleasant lives than them? What exactly have we done to earn the right to benefit from this huge level of inequality? People have tried to argue in the past that it’s because we’re somehow cleverer (long-discounted racial nonsense), or because some of us are God’s chosen people (difficult one to prove), or because we’re broadly a Christian culture and therefore nicer (again, doesn’t hold water). Now really, a huge chunk of it is just down to luck and geography. But in terms of some sort of higher purpose, we claim to be a sort of shining beacon of liberty, democracy, the rule of law, solidarity, all things that in the end make life better for all individuals concerned. You can dress that up as a united Europe, or call it the American Dream if you like. It’s supposed to serve as an example for all humanity to aspire to a similar state. But the important word in that is ALL.

Because if in fact, we only want to extend these ideals as far as ourselves, and the only justification for our continued disproportionate prosperity and security is the perpetuation of the status-quo, then it becomes rather more problematic to argue against those who feel a keen sense of injustice. Feelings towards the West run the full spectrum from admiration and a desire to emulate (a positive force) to absolute hatred and rejection, coupled with a feeling of rejection, which can manifest itself like it did in Paris this weekend (thankfully very much a minority point of view). At the moment, we have millions of people fleeing Fascists With Beards or Fascists With Ties in Syria and coming here, heading for the safety of “Fortress Europe”. If we leave them at the foot of the Wall to fend for themselves, I wonder what the resulting shift in the spectrum of dispositions towards the West will look like? People have long memories….

I can see where you are going but I would have thought that oil provides a degree of wealth that could possibly be distributed more fairly?

 

[Pine Marten]

I can see where you are going but I would have thought that oil provides a degree of wealth that could possibly be distributed more fairly?

Oh yes, we're not in any way solely responsible for the rest of the world's troubles. But we're supposed to hold ourselves to higher standards than the absolute monarchies of the Gulf for instance. I mean they don't claim for one second to have any interest whatsoever in democracy, human rights, freedom of speech or religion, etc. They are clearly self-serving regimes with barely disguised contempt for the Other. But we do. And that means that sometimes, we have to live up to it.

 

[andyf]

On another note, if people generally aren't xenophobic, why, no matter what country it is, do prisoners always segregate into ethnic groups?

Should we start by assuming the average prison population is not entirely representative?

 

[Eyefor]

According to this it's too late to change matters now?

http://www.cbn.com/tv/embedplayer.aspx?bcid=1509282970001