Fully trained deer dogs
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Depends what you mean by “fully trained”
Probably better putting it in the correct section of the classifieds
James0586
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Your forgetting it’s a Lab, their born half trainedI saw a “fully trained” lab for sale on the internet the other day … was 9 months old
Someone looking for a “trained” dog needs to be very clear what exactly they consider trained to be and to what standard.
Norfolk Deer Search
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I had thought about training and selling fully trained dogs, but the cost to the buyer would be astronomical, buying and sourcing the right pup, 2 year’s training, the end price would have to be well over £5k more like nearer £7k
James0586
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Why start with a pup and have it for 2 years training?
Surely theres more risk with a pup and I don’t understand the reason to have it for 2 years. I suppose if your training tracking dogs that will hunt hard over varying terrain and distances in Europe but to the average uk stalker a dog is another fashion accessory that will spend more time in the truck than it will on the ground.
The type of dogs that you are looking at sourcing are far more capable than the human on the other end of the lead. They would just go to waste in the UK.
I’m sure you could train for argument sake a Labrador from a rehoming centre to track deer in far less time to a standard more suitable to the average UK stalker?
You would get a quicker return and far less up keep from the constant calls from the dog handler when the super star tracking dog you trained has now decided to go rogue as the handlers capabilities are far lesser than your own.
Surely theres more risk with a pup and I don’t understand the reason to have it for 2 years. I suppose if your training tracking dogs that will hunt hard over varying terrain and distances in Europe but to the average uk stalker a dog is another fashion accessory that will spend more time in the truck than it will on the ground.
The type of dogs that you are looking at sourcing are far more capable than the human on the other end of the lead. They would just go to waste in the UK.
I’m sure you could train for argument sake a Labrador from a rehoming centre to track deer in far less time to a standard more suitable to the average UK stalker?
You would get a quicker return and far less up keep from the constant calls from the dog handler when the super star tracking dog you trained has now decided to go rogue as the handlers capabilities are far lesser than your own.
I doubt the average UK stalker will be the target of the sale. I dare say someone who's a pro/full time contractor on a limited time frame would. Much like the forestry commission, before employment you must have a trained dog or be able to source.
I'll give you that about a poor handler though
Norfolk Deer Search
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Im sorry but you have no idea what your talking about
Standards are high m here in the U.K. now and my standards are higher than that!
To get the dog to a trained standard it takes 2 years!
Whats the point in doing a half cocked job, there is no point in tracking a leg shot red deer or fallow or even a roe if it can not handle it!
Thats why it takes 2 years!
Any dog will find a dead deer 20-5@ yds away in thick cover!
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Norfolk Deer Search
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This is where you and i obviously differ, if i take a job on, it is done to the highest standard, its not about a quick return its about having a dog capable of doing the job it’s required to do!
Even if I was looking for a Labrador, there is only two maybe three breeders in the country that I would go to the produce me a pup with the prey drive that I would need to get the job done properly.
Norfolk Deer Search
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Apologies to the OP for hijacking the thread
But please be advised if you do find a train and a dog/tracking dog. Please make sure it’s up to workable standard. I would hate to think you were being ripped off.
And trained to do specifically what? A lot of people think they want a Land Rover Defender whereas a Range Rover Evoque would be totally adequate for what they need.
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And on the odd occasion that they get stuck they can call up a Defender to pull them out.
Loler UK
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I'd say 2 years is an absolute minimum! and when it comes to baying mobile deer very few dogs will experience much in the way of real work in mobile deer in their 1st 2 years.
In my experience I have come to realise that finding a deer is only half the battle. My current bmh didn't develop his distinctive different voices until his 3rd mobile deer as well as him letting me know he needs to be let off the tracking lead.
I've wanted to rescue young BMH or Hanoverians and rehabilitate them to be passed on as trained tracking dogs for some time but their are very few people that have enough work for them or the patience to work one.
In my experience I have come to realise that finding a deer is only half the battle. My current bmh didn't develop his distinctive different voices until his 3rd mobile deer as well as him letting me know he needs to be let off the tracking lead.
I've wanted to rescue young BMH or Hanoverians and rehabilitate them to be passed on as trained tracking dogs for some time but their are very few people that have enough work for them or the patience to work one.
Norfolk Horn
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You could always do it for the love, I'm sure the end user would appreciate it.
Norfolk Deer Search
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I do enough for nothing already stalking related, I’m not training anyone’s dog forum, unless they’re paying for the privilege!You could always do it for the love, I'm sure the end user would appreciate it.
And even then I probably wouldn’t do it!
Would rather go fishing
Norfolk Horn
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Well I got a bite.
Haha
Norfolk Deer Search
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Thats 100% fact
James0586
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I’m not questioning your ability as a handler/trainer so please don’t assume that I am but how do you come up with I don’t have any idea what I am on about?
I merely questioned your process and by pointing out you could still do it with an older dog and presumably give them a second chance in life and when you spoke about money I merely pointed out that you could get a faster return with less cost to the end user that has nothing to do with doing a job properly!
There are several scenarios that we can bounce back and fourth and we may or may not agree on but You mentioned a leg shot deer and a dog being able to “handle it” so what about this Scenario:
A Deer shot in the leg, runs and travels onto next doors ground where you cannot follow. Trained a dog from a puppy for 2 years to do what exactly in this instance?
(Track across field, reach the boundary and return to the truck unsuccessful)
As you said “any dog can find a deer 20 - 50 yards in thick cover!” And that’s exactly my point in what the average Joe UK deer stalker would need.
As you agreed with Loler UK “very few people have enough work for them or the patience to work one”
Which is my point exactly.
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